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> When was the last time you worked with many CS students versus amateur developers and could really compare?

I work in a very technical area where you need to have taken a PDEs course to even understand what's going on. The only amateur developers who can even carry on a conversation about the work have math or engineering phds.

> There is no space in that class for thinking, you should not be puzzle solving, the things that look like puzzle solving only look that way, they are not actual puzzle solving. It is an amusement park ride for entitled and mediocre people disguised as an elite university course.

Being a generic software developer cog in a giant corp sounds soul-crushing. I think smart students who have the drive and intelligence to learn CS on their own should seriously consider if that's the type of job they want.