[morvita]

> and are honestly not _that_ hard to orchestrate together with the liberal application of Terraform.

I love Terraform, but the fact that you require an entirely different company's orchestration tools to make AWS "not that hard to orchestrate" is evidence of how poor the UX of AWS is.

[aldarisbm]

But terraform is using the aws sdk behind the covers.

Most of the stuff available with terraform is available with CloudFormation minus a thing or two. (takes them a minute to catch-up to other teams new services/features)

[orf]

You can use Cloudformation. Like, what do you want here? Some super console that nobody asked for because anyone who knows what they are doing knows why you want infrastructure as code?