[pmontra]

I didn't notice any difference in perceived safety. I routinely walk late in the night, even past midnight, but I live in Europe. North America might be different. I don't have any recent direct experience there. SF and NYC were ok about 20 years ago. Lot of people walking around in the night.

[tekknik]

SF off of Market St at night is mostly overtaken by various night dwellers now. Certain areas and surrounding areas around Market you do not want to walk alone at night, or even during the day for some streets. However is too be expected when law abiding citizens are punished for defending, or trying to defend, themselves. People robbing others in this country are called the victim. Those attempting to reduce crime by carrying concealed are also punished, especially in California. The problem with the US is mostly political with one side wanting defense and the other anarchy.

[devdas]

The gun toting people are far more dangerous than the average night dweller.

[tekknik]

You are misinformed. When people carry concealed crime numbers drop because criminals are also scared to die and only want easy targets. And you won’t see the gun if they’re carrying concealed so the class of people you’re talking about, open carrying and brandishing, are not the same people concealed carrying.

[pmontra]

Maybe, but apparently murder numbers grow. This is the first example of Europe vs USA murder rates I was able to google

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/7x9eaw/murder_rate_...

Are all of them criminals murdered in self defense? I would be surprised. And if that was the case, then some crime was going on.

[tekknik]

Well you can’t get a concealed carry permit in Europe, and you cant compare two countries like this, where one has extreme gun control and the other doesn’t and then further go on to compare crime rates. This doesn’t even fit into the proper definition of experiment, where’s the control?