[thefj]

It goes both ways. The police unions should be outlawed, and police members should use democracy like everyone else.

If they don't like something about the job conditions, they can vote democratically to change it.

I can't form a tax union and negotiate with the government, why should they be able to?

[woofie11]

You can form one. Generically, it's called a political party, but there are special-interest groups like the NRA representing gun-owners, or the PTA, which represents families.

I don't think anyone is arguing there shouldn't be police unions. However, those should be reformed as open and transparent organizations which support for law-and-order, good working conditions for police officers, and similar.

Those should not be secretive organizations which support police violence, racism, protect bad cops, and sometimes engage in organized crime.