[maerF0x0]

> A mandate that people wear masks is not acceptable.

Personally speaking I'm all good with wearing a mask if they let me out of my house. The Shelter in place thing has been such an overreaction that I'm kind of primed to rebel just because I'm so incensed by the violation of rights...

Wearing a mask is like requiring wearing a seatbelt. Shelter in place is like saying no one can drive except a few exceptionals.

[mynameisvlad]

I don't believe there are any states currently issuing stay at home (which is different than SIP) orders.

It also has 100% not been an overreaction. It saved countless lives by preventing spread. That whole flattening the curve thing and how well countries that have actually followed through and did not open early should show you how effective it has been.

[maerF0x0]

It would be interesting to see the data of which is more effective. I'm currently biased towards believing that masks were highly effective and SIP orders mostly are not (because people still leave for groceries, for example) .

If we create the false dichotomy of Masks vs SIP I would recommend Masks

[mynameisvlad]

Stay at home orders work because they minimize contact someone has with others.

Sure, people might still go to the groceries or other essential tasks. Once or twice a week. But if they're otherwise obeying the order and staying at home then just by not travelling to and from the office, going on recreational walks/drives/etc, and in general being isolated with a few people is obviously going to drastically limit the spread. It's not going to cut it down to 0, but it's still far less than the other extreme of living life normally and interacting with random people and surfaces daily.

Why are you even trying to create a false dichotomy? Just stay at home and wear a mask, ffs. It's really not that hard.

Saving lives should not be this grand political issue it's become in the US. It's objectively very simple. Limit contact and limit spread, and you'll have fewer cases. You limit contact by having people stay at home, and you limit spread by having people wear masks. This isn't rocket science or anything.

[maerF0x0]

> Saving lives should not be this grand political issue it's become in the US.

It is politicized whenever there is a strong disparity of benefits and costs... It's primarily the old who benefit and primarily the young who suffer by closing down the economy

[flukus]

They exact same disparity exists elsewhere in the world but the politicization is largely an American phenomena, so it's not the disparity by itself to blame.

[watwut]

Shelter in place works everywhere except in America, which is always special.

And if people go to buy food, that totally negates lack of contact everywhere else, including restaurants, concerts, offices, schools, sport clubs and so on.

[Avicebron]

I'm curious of your claim that SIP works everywhere except in America?

Can you elaborate?

[maerF0x0]

Pretty sure that was sarcasm, implying it's worked very well elsewhere but for some reasons Americans are extra skeptical about the practice.

[base698]

The median death rate is 80: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/new-da...

At best it saved a few people who would have died in a couple of years.

[jkhaui]

It's a fallacy to think that the only outcome of COVID is binary (i.e. death or perfect recovery).

Just browse r/covidpositive. There are so many "survivors" who say they still have so much internal organ pain 4 months after being diagnosed, and now they feel hopeless, have suicidal ideation, etc.

And from the sounds of it, a lot of these people are in their 20s-40s and could run a marathon pre-COVID.

[shreyansj]

Which right is being violated in your opinion? And why is that more important than others' right to stay alive?

[Pinguinsan]

Because I am selfish and, by and large, don't care about others. Selfish? Yes. Just being honest.

[mnm1]

Thanks for showing us an example of exactly the kind of stupidity the parent is talking about. The government is well within its rights to require shelter in place. If you don't like it, get your case heard by the Supreme Court and win, but until then, stop pretending you have a right to not be quarantined. You don't. This is exactly the kind of thought and culture that prevents America from doing even the simplest things, like protecting people in a pandemic. A grass roots anti-intellectual culture of stupidity.

[Pinguinsan]

You are part of the problem. Stop while you're behind.