[frenchy]

> Google has terms of use on their service.

> You are violating those terms of service.

That's not what piracy means, and that's not how the law works. If I state that the terms of service of reading this comment are that you must hop on one leg for the rest of your life, and you continue to walk on two, you won't be violating any laws.

[VikingCoder]

I didn't say you're violating laws (but you may well be violating DMCA sections), I said you're violating terms of service. The expectation could be that they halt your use of the service, block access to their other service, and may disable your account.

OP claimed, "It's my own right to save those packets(without re-distributing) them and watch them in any form I like." That is not accurate. He doesn't magically GAIN COPYRIGHT over content, just because he downloaded it. His use MAY be covered by Fair Use Laws, but it may also still be a violation of YouTube's Terms of Service.

[kevin_thibedeau]

Google is willfully sending the data. If they want stricter access controls it's their job to implement them. TOS isn't a binding contract since one side never gets a chance to negotiate terms.

[VikingCoder]

Yes, and if they start identifying Google accounts that share the IP of a device violating YouTube TOS and disabling those accounts, some people will be very sad.

They should at least consider the possibility. Go in with open eyes, so to say.

This story comes to mind:

https://www.extremetech.com/mobile/239728-google-suspends-ac...

[heavyset_go]

> Yes, and if they start identifying Google accounts that share the IP of a device violating YouTube TOS and disabling those accounts, some people will be very sad.

If this happens, even more people will take their eggs out of Google's basket. I've already migrated my email to another provider and use Searx[1] for search.

[1] https://github.com/asciimoo/searx

[VikingCoder]

Feel free to not use YouTube.

If you do use it, please don't violate the TOS, because it increases the chances you'll screw it up for everyone else (me). People who violate TOS are why we can't have nice things.

[heavyset_go]

Nah, I'll use it as I please. Your sensibilities are your own, and not mine.

[NMDaniel]

Nowhere did I imply that I'd gain copyright over the content.

What's the difference between downloading and streaming a video? It's OK for the bytes to stay in main memory/network cache, but not in HDD? Would taking a memory dump of the RAM break their TOS?

[VikingCoder]

Yes, you did imply that you'd be able to copy the content how you like, when you said,

"It's my own right to save those packets(without re-distributing) them and watch them in any form I like."

YouTube lets you rent movies for 48 hours.

You download a movie. You then claimed you can watch the movie in any form you like. Such as, later than the 48 hours.

[NMDaniel]

Sorry, I wasn't aware that YouTube lets you rent movies, I was mostly speaking about normal clips that anyone can watch for free.