[dannypgh]

I don't appreciate my psychological safety being referred to as "nothing... at stake... of any real value."

I know that's probably not what you intended, but I've reread it several times and that's how I'm interpreting it each time. I think this disconnect between people -- a modicum of safety in a world that doesn't value our lives is seen as huge and worthwhile by some, but trivial and unimportant by others.

[yakshaving_jgt]

I appreciate you trying to clarify. Whether or not that's a correct interpretation of what I wrote depends on why you feel your "psychological safety" is at risk.

If you are a black person and the common use of the word "blacklist" is an affront to your psychological safety, then I would find that curious and I would ask why it is you feel that way. From what other black people in this thread have written, that doesn't appear to be the common case. Amusingly, the people fighting the good fight in the comments here (at least, the last time I checked) seem to have flatly ignored the people who essentially say "I am black. Squabbling about words in Linux does nothing in the fight against slavery. Why won't white people listen to us."

If that isn't your situation and you are being offended on behalf of other people, then I think you're standing on shaky moral ground.

To clarify, when I said "nothing… at stake… of any real value", I was referring to the common modern trend of slacktivism.

[dannypgh]

I am Black. I'm not ignoring the other Black people posting, I'm just letting the audience know they don't speak for all of us. We are not a monolith.

I don't particularly care about blacklist/whitelist (as there's a clearer connection to light) but a lot of the defenses against even considering that change sound racist as fuck to me -- there's lots of people who explicitly argue the status quo is OK and that it couldn't be worth any changes here.

Master/slave, however, does bother me. It's led to one too many conversations where people need to, or so, say things like "the slave isn't keeping up with the master" or "the master should detect that and kill the slave" or "we should add more slaves" and those words are grating to me. I don't want to say them, and if a coworker is saying them sometimes I'm not sure if they're enjoying getting to use those words a little too much.

I also want to add, none of this is as important to me as meaningful reparations for slavery and institutionalized racism. But the fact that other things are more important doesn't mean this isn't important. If I meet someone who is in a position to significantly advance reparations or rename these tech terms, I'll be talking with them about the former, not the latter. But most people are not in a position to move the needle on both of these issues.

[yakshaving_jgt]

> We are not a monolith

This is something I absolutely agree with you on, and I think it's a disgrace that so many people — usually the most rabid — on both sides of the argument use the opinions of a fraction of some group as political ammunition.

> a lot of the defenses against even considering that change sound racist as fuck to me -- there's lots of people who explicitly argue the status quo is OK and that it couldn't be worth any changes here.

The status quo in which regard? The status quo with regards to police brutality in the US is obviously not OK, but the status quo with regards to words having multiple meanings and being able to be used in different contexts should be fine.

> Master/slave, however, does bother me. It's led to one too many conversations where people need to, or so, say things like "the slave isn't keeping up with the master" or "the master should detect that and kill the slave" or "we should add more slaves" and those words are grating to me. I don't want to say them, and if a coworker is saying them sometimes I'm not sure if they're enjoying getting to use those words a little too much.

I'm not denying your experience, but it sounds like your complaint is against racist assholes in your vicinity. I'm not [yet?] convinced that stopping them from using those words specifically will change their behaviour or perspective.

> I also want to add, none of this is as important to me as meaningful reparations for slavery and institutionalized racism.

I recognise that, and it's a view I share. My ancestors also suffered under slavery (much more recent slavery than the US slave trade) and their country is still asking for reparations.

> But the fact that other things are more important doesn't mean this isn't important.

I'm not suggesting we engage in whataboutery, but at least from my perspective lesser complaints undermine more egregious complaints, and for the sake of practicality I prefer to choose my battles.

In any case, while we agree on some (I think most?) things, I don't feel any less uncomfortable by the attempts of some people in society to normalise Orwellian newspeak. I do appreciate that we can discuss this thoughtfully and respectfully though, and I appreciate you sharing your perspective.