[quonn]

> it doesn't matter how you feel about it

So his opinion does not matter? Only yours does?

I was not only taught these words in the context of colonialism, because that‘s not only where they belong. Societies based on slavery were common in the ancient world, including Greece.

All of this changing of vocabulary is not going to help anyone. But it will happen regardless, I‘m okay with watching this phenomenon play out over the next 30 years or so. Eventually society will figure out that this has done nothing to fix social injustices.

[MilnerRoute]

So his opinion does not matter? Only yours does?

There's an asymmetry here. Whether we recognize it or not, we're in a world where one side has all the institutionalized power, the extra advantages baked into the system. The way I've heard it expressed is "The ultimate privilege is not realizing you have a privilege." I know it can be an uncomfortable topic, but it's been said that that's what perpetuates the system: all the sincere denials, the honest statements of "I just don't see it. I've never experienced it, and I've never really seen it happening myself..."

It ends up inadvertently invalidating anyone who attempts to challenge in even simple ways a few of the basic baked-in issues.

I'm not sure how this conversation could've played out in a way that was better. But I do think there's a dynamic at work here that makes it not as simple as it seems...

[quonn]

Just because „it‘s said“ does not make it correct. I can‘t speak about the situation in the US. But I will speak about the situation in contemporary Germany. I completely reject all of this. Anyone who claims racism is baked into a (european) system should name those injustices (and not omit any corrective measures, for example built into the education and tax systems). Given that, any connection to languages (renaming stuff) should be proven as well. Just invoking some handwavy mistakes in the past is not sufficient. Invoking problems in the US is not sufficient. And even when those problems exist, this, by itself, is not a good reason to accept an arbitrary cause not supported by an argument.

The claim that there is „one side“ with all the advantages is a distraction as well. There are many imbalances and injustices. They are not between two sides. Things that come to my mind are, for example:

* Was your family rich?

* Was your family educated?

* Gender

* Skin color

* Family ties in the place you live

* Accents/Habitus

* Social strata

* Political power

This is a very basic listing. All of this may or may not have an influence. The fact that the current debate is more shallow than even that says a lot.

[neatze]

It not even about animals like dogs, cats, ..., chickens that are enslaved by humans in exactly same way as people where and in some places are, it is not even about human trafficking or education. Only imagine if all this companies that backed a change would setup/double a fund to promote minority kids STEM education and/or legal support fund for police abuse, instead we get slave is offensive word.