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by terrytate9080 2172 days ago
Clearly you are missing the point. The context of the language in the Kernel has nothing to do with race or slavery.

Where do we stop? I’m assuming next we want to remove the words entirely from the dictionary?

Because we wouldn’t want to prevent anyone reading the dictionary would we?

If removing those words from the dictionary helps even one person more read it, then that’s a win.

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You lost me. The word ”slave” has nothing to do with slavery? It might not have to do with slavery in the US, but it very clearly refers to slavery.
That doesn't mean what you think it means. To use an example from the link:

> sow (verb) – to plant seed

> sow (noun) – female pig

Not only are these words pronounced differently, etymologically they have different roots. [0] Do you have any source that would demonstrate that the technical term 'slave' here has nothing to do with the historical enslavement of people?

[0] https://www.etymonline.com/word/sow#etymonline_v_23936

Homographs and homonyms are traditionally defined by words that share the same spelling (like the example you posted) and/or pronunciation (like the other example in the link immediately following the one you posted), when those words have or can have different meanings, regardless of etymology.

As an aside, I wonder if the semantic satiation from using homographs that have negative connotations for some could have a positive effect overall by diluting the connotations of what someone thinks of when they hear the word "slave", etc.

Of course, any time I make any kind of comment on this I get told that my skin color makes my opinion moot (even though my ancestors were, also, slaves). I switched to primary/replica last year (in projects where I could), but the never ending tide of other arbitrary words to change gets pretty tiring -- and two different bouts of harassment, death threats, and vandalism when I haven't made changes has really put a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

> when those words have or can have different meanings, regardless of etymology

Indeed, but the GP comment was claiming that the word 'slave' had nothing to do that slavery. Because your comment only had a link to the Homography, it seemed to me to imply that you were saying two words were separate in meaning. That's why I asked for a source saying they weren't.

> It could even be argued that the semantic satiation from using words that have negative connotations for some could have a positive effect overall by diluting the connotations of what someone thinks of when they hear the word "slave", etc.

It could, but, are you making that argument? Should we then dilute the meaning of other words to make their negative effect less impactful? How many words? When do we choose to dilute a word, and how negative should a word be in order to motivate us to dilute its meaning?

> Of course, any time I make any kind of comment on this I get told that my skin color makes my opinion moot (even though my ancestors were, also, slaves). I switched to primary/replica last year (in projects where I could), but the never ending tide of other arbitrary words to change gets pretty tiring -- and two different bouts of harassment, death threats, and vandalism when I haven't made changes has really put a sour taste in my mouth about the whole thing.

I'm really sorry to hear that. I agree that the veracity of the backlash and counter-backlash is not helping anyone, and in on the whole hurtful and not constructive. But is that an argument for not using primary/replica? Is that an argument for never changing anything, since there will almost always be some kind of backlash to a change?