[kerkeslager]

> Cameras record facts.

What I do in the bathroom is factual, but just because something is factual doesn't mean the police have a right to see it.

> What if body cam makers stopped providing police body cams?

Are you proposing that Ring owners should be subject to the same standard of transparency as people that the government issues guns to?

> if the police are racist, that's a police problem, not an evidence problem.

Uh, it's a societal problem, that society (which includes Amazon) needs to address.

[Grakel]

Ring cameras record in public, not your bathroom. What a straw man.

[kerkeslager]

It's not a straw man, because I'm not accusing anyone of making a pro-giving-police-recordings-of-bathrooms argument. On the contrary, I'm assuming we all agree that giving police recordings of what we do in the bathroom would be invasive. This is the basis of a further argument.

Ironically, accusing me of making a straw man argument in this case, is a straw man argument. ;)

[Barrin92]

The issue is of course the extremely broad definition of 'public' in the US which includes virtually everything but your bathroom.

If someone calls the police on you because your paranoid or racist neighbour caught you on their doorbell camera and called the cops because he thought you looked like you 'didn't belong' in the neighbourhood that happened in public, but it's obviously extremely problematic and a recipe for self-imposed policing virtually everywhere.

And that's not actually a hypothetical but something that already happened. (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qvyvzd/amazons-home-secur...)