[aSockPuppeteer]

It’s always a snake eating it’s tail scenario with jailbreaking. Apple takes popular tweaks and integrates them with the next IOS. Side-loading isn’t that bad but the method keeps changing...Usually for the better.

Jail breaking cuts into their profit a small amount because the community is small.

https://www.reddit.com/r/jailbreak

The benefits are very much worth it though. Most have had iOS 13 features since iOS 11/12. They have iOS 14 features now. Then there are other features that may not be released ever but people find them invaluable.

Ex: Per app specific Firewall per website. (Block tracking/ads)

-Disable apps ability to spy on your clipboard.

-Disable apps from accessing things you do not want them to but still launch.

-Themes, so many options: remove your status bar or put new things there.

-Custom widgets

-Detailed wifi, phone information

-Download old versions of apps because the company broke something.

-Detailed phone/memory/cpu info

-Terminal access.

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

[StavrosK]

This raises the question, who will come up with Apple product features when all the 0days have been patched?

[season2episode3]

Yeah, I swear. They're a hardware company more than a software one... it shows in their utter lack of imagination for their software. Even their UI/UX design is really suffering compared to their competitors.

Disclaimer: I continue to use an iphone primarily because I'm happy and fine with the walled garden.

[farisjarrah]

With a codebase as large as iOS its highly unlikely that all 0days will ever be fully patched. Apple is constantly iterating on their code and introducing new features(and bugs) and security engineers are always coming up with new methods to exploit code.

[Hackbraten]

Also, given the age of XNU, kernel developers come and go, and chances are that typical mistakes (for example, improperly using the MIG) get repeated.

[BEEdwards]

Or you could just buy an android and not worry about it.

Not even to fan boy, but half of those are things that android did from the go and the rest have been added or are generally easy to do.

[zaptrem]

But then we miss out on Apple's hardware quality, industry-crushing A-Series processors, and (for the most part) rock solid and extremely efficient OS.

[eertami]

>But then we miss out on Apple's hardware quality, industry-crushing A-Series processors,

To what end, my 5 year old midrange phone still loads everything instantly (Snapdragon 801). Is there actually any benefit of 'top of the line' mobile CPUs except for mobile gamers?

[devenblake]

I was an Android fan for years, but as a kid I'd always wanted an iPhone 4 so I got one recently. At the time there were some weird blocks on everything (I still don't really know what was happening but everything works now) so eventually I just got an iPhone SE (the good one, with the headphone jack). It blew my mind. The animations actually run at high framerates, the keyboard has very little latency, and it just works. I've never tried out a high-end Android that could hold up to my SE based on keyboard latency alone. It makes a really big difference.

[Wingman4l7]

You better hope they don't ever bring their premium-priced laptop "hardware quality" to their phones -- failing GPUs, failing monitor ribbon cables, failing keyboards...

[paulmd]

ipad pros are already there, they're so thin they can arrive bent right out of the box.

ipads and iphones are amazing hardware in every other respect but Apple really needs to chill with the ultra-thin fetish.

(same goes for their PC hardware, but the hardware is not particularly amazing there.)

[megablast]

And worry about something else, like it exploding, or not getting security updates after the first year, or boot loop, etc.

[strombofulous]

> Like it exploding

That was an issue with one phone, once, and it was a problem with the battery, not Android

> Not getting security updates after the first year

That's actually solved by rooting since you can update from any source instead of just signed packages

> Boot loop

I guess that could be a problem but I've never had that issue and I've rooted all but one phone that I've had

[muppetman]

That's NOT solved by rooting - I wish people would stop saying this.

There's two parts to Android patching - the kernel/Android OS itself - yes, this gets patched with a rooted/custom ROM.

Part two is the hardware drivers themselves, the modem driver etc etc. None of that is patched with a custom ROM. You still have to use the same binary blob/drivers that came with the latest official phone firmware.

When security updates stop for you phone, all the updates for the underlying hardware drivers stop too. So yea, you can slap some bandaids on it, but you're not really up to date even though you might be on a later/more recent version of Android.

[cookiengineer]

Your definition of “solved” is pretty identical to OpenBSD user recommending to “just patch your BIOS”. Demographically this is not a solution, as 99.9999% of the potential audience will never be able to even understand the requirements of that skillset.

[ueouieodue]

> That was an issue with one phone, once, and it was a problem with the battery, not Android

If my house burns down, I personally won't care if it's android in general, the model, or the battery in the android phone which destroyed everything I own.

> That's actually solved by rooting since you can update from any source instead of just signed packages

Installing software downloaded from xda-developers is, what I like to call, malware as a service (tm).

[httpsterio]

That's like saying that all Apple products suck because they bend, antenna doesn't work, keys stop working and screens start to stain.

Like the person said, it was literally one Samsung model that had issues and it could've just as well have been an iOS device. Looking at how many recalls and repair programs they have for design flaws, I don't think anyone should paint Apple as the better side here.

[muppetman]

Can you link me to a custom ROM on XDA that was shown to have Malware?

[IncRnd]

That's a poor argument. That's like saying you didn't read this page's article, because the malware being discussed wasn't already known to you. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Formally, this is called an argument from ignorance.

[Bnshsysjab]

This seems like a pretty weak argument, are you sure you want to trust a bunch of hobbiest devs with the security of your (probably) most valuable computer?

Just because something doesn’t have any know issues, doesn’t mean it’s not wise to avoid it because it flat out smells.

[p1necone]

You need to do a bit more research because of the sheer number of options, but there's absolutely manufacturers that have none of those issues (battery exploding was one samsung model, I haven't heard of boot loop issues. Poor security update lifetime is absolutely a common issue though, although fixable by rooting as pointed out in another comment). See: Android One^.

^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_One

[httpsterio]

Also iPhone lifetime is a bit of a joke. I mean, Apple got caught literally slowing their older models down on purpose in order to have people switch into newer models.

I haven't gotten as much mileage on my Android phones as compared to my 4S, but the 4S cost about 3 times as much as the android phones I usually buy and 3 lower end-ish Android phones serves me easily for 10 years with no issues.

[jodrellblank]

> "Apple got caught literally slowing their older models down on purpose in order to have people switch into newer models."

"Apple denied wrongdoing and settled the nationwide case to avoid the burdens and costs of litigation, court papers show." - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-iphones-settlement-...

They haven't been "caught" doing that; they have been accused of that. Why is it the stupid conspiracy theory which wins the popularity contest, instead of the much more annoying true story - Apple cheaped out on batteries which couldn't provide enough current to run the phone as they aged? Or, just as factual, Apple slowed down the phone to keep it working longer on the same hardware thus making people avoid having to buy new phones.

[JetSpiegel]

> They haven't been "caught" doing that

They settled out of court. Must have though the case against them was pretty strong. If that's not an admission of guilt...

[macintux]

> 3 lower end-ish Android phones serves me easily for 10 years with no issues

Are there any lower-end phones that get security updates for 3 years?

[cookiengineer]

> buy an android

> not worry about it.

I’m sorry, but this feels like a lie. I’m not trying to troll here, but most Android IT-level users I know flashed a custom ROM already and actually buy their devices based on whether or not LineageOS has support for it.

Almost all Android devices are non-Google devices, which makes their OEM state bloated with custom sync crap nobody even wants to use but have no choice.

Xiaomi, Motorola, Lenovo, Huawei, HTC ... all force their own shitty half-working synchronization platforms up their users’ phones. And I bet that this happens with major GDPR violations.

As an Android “user” I do not recommend using Android for people that do not want to “worry about it”. And product wise I think that’s a huge quality issue.