[zozbot234]

> Of course this is also true more generally, but look at polling information by demographic and it's clear for example that black voters aren't confused about who is working against their interests, and largely vote accordingly. ...

You do realize that this is a tautological argument, right? One could just as easily argue that black people are voting for policymakers who, by and large, seek to patronize and infantilize them, thereby "protecting their identities as group members" even as they're in fact working against their long-term interests.

[yummypaint]

You should try talking to black people sometime and you will see this is not the case

[zozbot234]

Talking to voters is always a good idea, of course. I'm fairly sure that quite a few white voters would want to similarly disabuse us both of this notion that they only vote based on pure tribal loyalty, and don't actually care about their broader interests, however construed.