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Paradoxically, it's only us, more or less "consumers" that can do something. I did, and it's just a matter of how many of us stop being over-consumerists to stop this environment destruction mode

If consumerists become marginals (currently minimalists are marginals instead), things change dramatically, in the good side

[LatteLazy]

Yeah, but 7bn people aren't going to give up consumption in the next few years are they?

[ntsplnkv2]

7bn do not consume like the US consumes.

[LatteLazy]

They don't need to. Chinas CO2 per capita is over double the sustainable level. That's how high the bar here is, anywhere even half developed is massively too polluting.

You need about 2/3 of the globe not just to stop GROWING emissions but to actively cut them.

[ntsplnkv2]

The developing world's growth is largely fueled by consumption in the west - and the current CO2 in the atmosphere from the last 2 centuries was largely from the west as well.

The financial incentives to pollute are too great for developing countries. We can't expect them to bear the full brunt while Americans are buying F-150s and denying its existence.

[LatteLazy]

I'm using co2 from consumption numbers there. The average Chinese person is already over twice the safe limit from their own emissions.