[cookie_monsta]

Patriotism is just as absurd as any other dogma to a person who doesn't share it. I think the US has done some great things as have most countries. It's when you start blindly believing it's perfect that it seems less than rational.

> generic wrongs against black people that haven't actually been specified

Surely you don't need to hear the list again?

[AnthonyMouse]

> It's when you start blindly believing it's perfect that it seems less than rational.

Who said it was perfect?

> Surely you don't need to hear the list again?

Is there somewhere they keep this list? I keep getting partial versions.

There's the ones where we list bad laws that haven't been on the books in many years, the ones (like police murders) that do literally happen but are dramatically less common than the level of attention would lead you to believe, the thing where people try to claim things with aggregate statistics without adjusting for confounders...

I'm sure there are some legitimate ones, what I can't understand is why the focus is regularly on all these ones that evaporate upon examination.

Maybe it's the toxoplasma thing, which I can't link to because SSC is gone. :(

[cookie_monsta]

Hmmm... let me guess: You got where you are 'cause you were the smartest and worked the hardest and won the race amongst equals?

[AnthonyMouse]

Don't do that. Don't attack the speaker instead of the arguments. You don't know anything about me.

[cookie_monsta]

It's nothing personal, merely an observation of the phenomena that it's hard/ uncomfortable to see the unfairness of a system of which you are clearly a benefactor.

The idea that everybody's equal starting... now! is lovely if you can ignore the fact that some people have a 500 year head start.

[AnthonyMouse]

> The idea that everybody's equal starting... now! is lovely if you can ignore the fact that some people have a 600 year head start.

Except that nobody is claiming that, and even if they were, you would then be having a class dispute rather than a race dispute anyway.

[cookie_monsta]

So if you understand how historic injustice leads to present day disadvantage then there's no point distracting from the discussion by claiming to be bewildered by the fundamentals.

I agree that class distinctions are becoming less useful except if you define class in terms of opportunity in which case it's hard to argue that it and race live in two completely separate petri dishes.