[lifeformed]

I wasn't saying that the harm necessarily comes from just the expression of certain ideas, but rather that the ideas are used to justify real physical harm, not just psychological harm. Ideas like white supremacy are of course used to enact real violence on real people, as well as more subtle grievances. Quashing those ideas has real benefits.

Of course, the issue at hand is defining the boundaries of what needs to be stigmatized. But what's stigma is simply just what society deems stigma, not based on a fully rationalized top-down decision. We are all the mob. It's messy and there's no discrete boundaries of good and bad. It's tempting to therefore conclude that all ideas should be equal, but that's not very satisfactory to communities that have been ravaged by violent terrorism for generations due to certain bad ideas.

There's no clean solution to how things should be, so I think instead of trying to come up with the perfect ruleset that allows everyone to be happy, we should acknowledge that maybe there's no happy state of equilibrium with the given conditions, so we should work to reshape those conditions, and maybe we can reach that equilibrium in the future.