[gdy]

"between 1939 and 1941 Russia and Germany had an accord and were allies"

That's false. Russia and Germany had a non-aggression pact. Also you should read about the Munich Agreement[0], that preceded the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and clearly shown that no one was willing to fight Germany and protect Czechoslovakia besides the USSR.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement

[sergeykish]

Can we agree that both Germany and USSR gained territories as result [1], [2]? And they were trade partners [3]? And, yes, France and UK helped that to happen.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Poland

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Baltic_state...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Credit_A...

[gdy]

The USSR gained so much needed strategic depth, the Germany gained Lebensraum.

Which country wasn't trading with Nazi Germany?

[sergeykish]

"Germany gained so much needed strategic depth" - somehow Germany evil, USSR not - flawed logic

[gdy]

You are welcome to present a Soviet equivalent of the Lebensraum concept.

[sergeykish]

Gulag [1], Purges [2], man made famine [3], restriction of movement [4], population as means for World Revolution [5], imperialism [6].

Bolsheviks were terrorists [7], the state evolved from terrorists organisation. It should be shamed just as we shame Fascists. Meanwhile in Russia Stalin popularity is record high [8].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%93...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport_system_in_the_Soviet_...

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_revolution

[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Empire

[7] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror

[8] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47975704

[gdy]

It has nothing to do with Lebensraum.

[celticninja]

You say potato...

[gdy]

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

The fact is that the USSR and Germany signed a non-aggression pact, not a treaty of alliance. You can read the text [0] yourself and see that there is nothing resembling a war alliance.

[0] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pa...

[eveningcoffee]

I clearly looks like an alliance to take over other countries.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pa...

They even divided Poland in a coordinated attack on two fronts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military...

It is not the name that matters but content and actions.

[sergeykish]

Oh, the start of the war was awful in so many aspects, there were no rights. Second Polish Republic was aggressive state [1], [2]. It partitioned Czechoslovakia with Germany and Hungary in 1938. Soviets border on Poland lies about what was defined in Treaty of Versailles [3]. It does not excuse anything just show mixed things were. Have no idea about other parts of the German Soviet border [4].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_bo...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Versailles

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Border_a...

[gdy]

Have you actually read the content?