[healsjnr1]

Whether we agree with it or not, I think what is strange is how subscriptions models have become the norm.

There _is_ an alternative that isn't free and that is one off payments (rember when we used to buy software?). I happily pay in the order of $50 to $120 for one off payments, often locked to a version.

In many cases this is _more_ than I've ended up paying for subscriptions I've used, then abandoned after 6-12 months.

[Tehnix]

The only model where a one-off payment really makes sense is for products that have zero cost for the developer to keep alive. For example an SQL Client doesn’t need a cloud component.

The difference here is, Roam and similar services run on servers that cost money monthly. The service is almost worthless without it. Ultimately someone needs to pay for this.

[healsjnr1]

Thing is, at their heart, these are document editing tools. They don't actually need an on ongoing operational cost (yes, maintenance, but as a number of people point out you can take the jet brains approach and lock to versions).

The supposed benefit of my data being hosted is not a benefit to everyone. I already have multiple solutions to backup and sharing, I don't need another silo where my data lives. I don't need another vendor hosting arbitrary data which means I now can't use the product because the megacorp I work for won't let that through their legal.

Key point I was making above was that one off payment is an option and can be successful, we don't need to fall straight into the free vs subscription dichotomy.

[bosie]

> The difference here is, Roam and similar services run on servers that cost money monthly. The service is almost worthless without it. Ultimately someone needs to pay for this.

that is also a downside though. which side of the coin wins depends on the customer. I rather use icloud/dropbox and apps then an unencrypted web version. Roam decided to implement a web app, the actual use case does not require a server or monthly maintanance costs.

[d4rti]

These products will still require maintenance with changes in drivers and suchlike.

No software is really finished.

[dageshi]

Regular, predictable monthly income is just a better model for businesses than irregular large one off purchases.

Customers generally don't mind so long as they can cancel easily if they find they don't need or want the product.

Plus, you can't really buy a "web app" with a one off purchase and much more software is developed as web apps nowadays.