[gotostatement]

- Most industries in the US are largely dominated by oligopolies. I think it's on you to prove that they all, or at least most, arose due to government interference.

- As I said in my answer (are you reading?), I'm not sure that giving control to government is always the answer. Maybe a syndicalist approach, maybe community ownership, more power in the workplace, more accountability in the community, etc. But the current situation is untenable.

- Don't be pedantic. I didn't literally mean that every wealthy person has every possible power. Further, an example of wealth failing in one case doesn't disprove the 10 cases where it succeeded. For example, yes sometimes people lose in elections even when they outspend their opponents. This has no bearing on the fact that billionaires and their interest groups completely succeed at influencing politicians through lobbying, and even writing legislation for them to push.

I'm going to bow out of this conversation now because I don't feel you are engaging charitably and in good faith. I think you are ideologically determined not to recognize how wealth and power function. I would still have engaged for the sake of argument, but I can't do that with someone who's not showing efforts to represent my argument faithfully and charitably. Bye.

[WalterBright]

> Most industries in the US are largely dominated by oligopolies.

Oligopolies are not monopolies.

> an example of wealth failing in one case doesn't disprove the 10 cases where it succeeded

I gave several examples off the top of my head. There are many more. What wealth does is enable one to get one's message out - it does NOT buy the election. Voters still have to like the message and the messenger.

> completely succeed at

I can point you to any number of huge government spending programs aimed at the not-wealthy. Social Security, for one.