[nolok]

> I kind liked washing machines that properly heated to 90C

I will be honest with you this one I just don't understand. My washing machine is A+ in EU norms and it heats properly. Maybe you bought a not so good model ?

If anything those norms should be re-evaluated with new tougher levels now, you have to go out of your way to buy something that's not at least A (which is good and it means it worked, but also that it's time to ask for more).

> vacuum cleaners that actually picked up dirt

Again, if you buy a Dyson that follows EU norms it still works great. But if at the same time as those norms arrived you also switched from being main brand product to cheaper off brands, then you're confusing the two.

It's easy to find a vacuum cleaner that works great, but they're not at the same price as most models, because the market aligned with the cheap ones that people actually buy.

Yes, LIDL and similar often have special sales on vacuum cleaner, yes they're frankly cheap, and no, they're not as good as "the vacuum cleaners of old". They're barely adequate, which is fine for most customers and allow a cheap price, that's why they sell this.

> And these newer machines feature more plastic parts, are harder to repair and generally considered disposable (e.g. I'm happy that a dishwasher/washing machine/fridge lasts 5 years). How's that good for the planet?

That is quite literally the point of the anti waste regulation (the last one and the future one), and of the repair law being discussed here.

[michaelt]

> Maybe you bought a not so good model?

Rinse quality is lower in modern washing machines in order to meet water economy standards - even if you buy an £800 Miele and turn on all the 'extra rinse' options.

I know this because I have a relative with sensitive skin, who resorts to rinsing things by hand after taking them out of the washing machine - and doing such a rinse visibly dirties the water. Feel free to test this yourself.

This has happened across the entire market - so much so that 'Which Reports' (UK consumer reports equivalent) have lowered their standard for 'five star rinse quality' as nothing on the market could meet it.

[nolok]

Ah you might be right but I think they're allowed to have it not just do it in the normal program.

Both my (single washer / drier /and my parents (two separate machines) have an extra button that add a "second extra rinse 5 minutes after the normal one" thatwwe always use by default because the normal rinse is indeed not good enough.

Now I'm wondering if it's not possible to have a proper rinse within the norms of if having found that workaround stopped them on fixing the issue.

[Mirioron]

So, we can't even buy a washing machine that actually cleans the clothes? I'm not looking forward to the future.

[stinos]

Again, if you buy a Dyson that follows EU norms it still works great.

Bit off topic perhaps, but in my experience: Dyson does not necesarily work great nor handles well nor does last particularly long. Ok this is only anecdotal from my experience and 2 friends (Animal pro models or similar) but still.. Main complaint: it's overengineered/designed to the point it degrades usability. The handle is about twice the weight of a 'standard' one. The hose is very short so you have to drag the thing behind you cnostantly. Sucking power is really not all good. And it gets degraded by mouthpiece design with extra obstruction and narrow pieces in the airway. Which also makes it pretty hard to get e.g. straws of grass to pass through. Design of the mouthpiece is also such that anything larger than about 4mm requires lifting it to get sucked in. It makes a lot of noise already, but if you attach the carpentry cleaning mouthpiece (which in their defense is a rather nifty idea, but for the small effectivity it adds has the disadvante it wears out carpets/couches/... because the brushes are quite harsh) it becomes really, really loud. If you accidentally suck up dust which is too fine it becomes broken (even more noise, loss of sucking power), though that can be remedied by taking most of it apart and cleaning out with compressed air or perhaps water. Mechanism for sucking in the cable is way too weak.

I get that this all might sound like it's a disaster, but I guess it could work for some people who haven't tried alternatives. After all it does suck up some dust. And it doesn't require dustbags. Still I recommend anyone looking for a vacuum cleaner to look into simpler yet more effective designs. From other things I've used: Nilfisk is really good. Models I've used are simple, just work, none of the complaints from above. I also happen to have a Festool one which I normally use for dust extraction for saws/sanders. While not really meant for it, and pretty expensive, it's still way simpler in design than the Dyson and completely blows it away on all fronts.

[nolok]

I'll be entirely honest with you I used that name because it's the only one I know of a main brand worldwide. I myself use a French brand. Maybe my exemple wasn't very good, sorry for that.

[stinos]

No problem: as far as making your point the example was good enough. It's just that - as you may have noticed - I'm not exactly a fan of Dyson and wanted to explain HN why :)

[xxs]

Dyson is an expensive brand but that doesn't mean a high-quality one.

[raverbashing]

I bought a "cheap" vacuum (think UK brand but German OEM - apparently) and it cleans quite well

Yes, the suction power goes down as the bag fills, but I guess that's what bags are for.

[auggierose]

Same for vacuum cleaners, I am keeping my old one because I cannot get a new one that cleans comparably. On the other hand, you think a Dyson cleans properly, so ...