[pmontra]

> The number pad is unnecessary.

I'd pay a 100 Euro extra to remove the number pad and center the keyboard and the touchpad. Having to slide any laptop to the right is so annoying (the space bar must align with the center of the body, no matter what.)

[gowld]

Mandatory Numberpad in a laptop is shibboleth that shows that a laptop designer has no human factors design or testing, but chases "checklists" of features. If a laptop has a Numberpad, it's going to have a lot of other usability problems. The only thing worse is a seller who pushes a 15" laptop "because it's bigger" but puts a 768p display in it.

[efreak]

To me personally, 14" is the sweet spot for laptops. I used to want the numpad on a laptop, but more recently I've noticed that my desktop keyboard doesn't actually sit centered in front of my monitor--the right side of the keyboard is usually more or less lined up with the right side of my primary monitor, almost centering it.

[yellowapple]

I have a Dell Precision 7510 with the same sort of layout: off-center touchpad/spacebar and a numpad.

Personally, I find the numpad to be incredibly useful (and it's nice having it be there without having to lug around some extra gadget just for that purpose), and the fact that the touchpad is off-center is pretty irrelevant (as in: I don't think about it, and it doesn't really affect anything at all).

It does help, though, that even on a desktop I have a tendency to shift the keyboard somewhat to the left relative to my body (in fact, that's how I'm typing right now), so I guess I'm used to it. Still, switching between the Precision and my work ThinkPad (which lacks a numpad, and therefore doesn't need to offset anything) gives me no trouble at all.

On that note, I have exactly three requirements when shopping for a "mobile workstation" like that:

1. A numpad (even if it's one I access by holding down some Fn key to change the behavior of other keys)

2. A Trackpoint or equivalent

3. No NVIDIA GPU (ain't nobody got time for proprietary drivers)

My Precision passes all three of those with flying colors. This Oryx fails all three of those AFAICT.

[FunnyLookinHat]

Agreed - you should upvote here: https://github.com/system76/laptop-suggestions/issues/22

[jseliger]

This would be a deal breaker for me, too, particularly given that a lot of competitors don't seem to include the numpad.

[vikingcaffiene]

IMO they should remove the number pad and use the extra space to add some decent speakers on this thing.

That said, they don't have as much control over the hardware as I would hope. As I initially said, this is a rebranded clevo so they are kind of stuck with whatever they source from them.