[praveen9920]

Pushing the boundaries is the best way to advance technology

Car manufacturers need ridiculously expensive race cars to push the technology to get advancements in everyday car technology. Similarly, Top500 is one way to push the technology for not just computationally but also things like better power, heat and network management in processors and computers in general.

With ever doubling server farms, Heat management of these systems will become the major contributor for environmental pollution than all vehicle exhaust. Rather than spending on renewable sources of energy for these farms, it makes sense to optimize energy consumed per processor. Hoping to see advancements in this area

In my opinion, next arm/intel will be the company who does energy efficient processors

[jabl]

> Heat management of these systems will become the major contributor for environmental pollution than all vehicle exhaust.

No, extra heat just radiates away into space, nothing to worry about. The problem is in the GHG emissions to generate the energy to run (and yes, cool) these systems.

> it makes sense to optimize energy consumed per processor.

Yes, absolutely. Even if you don't care about the environment, power consumption limits chip performance. Doing more work with less power is key to producing faster chips.

[dawg-]

>Heat management of these systems will become the major contributor for environmental pollution

Here's an idea, maybe we should just turn the moon into a giant data center?

[giantrobot]

In a vacuum the only way to dissipate heat is radiation and to a lesser extent conduction. In an atmosphere you also have convection. It's more efficient to cool something on Earth than on the Moon.

We also have more power options on Earth. On the Moon you'd only really have solar power available and then only two weeks a month. On Earth you've got insolation for half a day every day and the option of other renewable sources.

This is all besides the phenomenal cost of building data centers on the Moon vs Earth.

[moonchild]

> heat dissipation

Eh, the moon is made of pretty cold rock.

> two weeks a month

> half a day every day

Amortized, that's the same thing.

[giantrobot]

The Moon might be solid rock but that doesn't make it a good heat sink. If solid rock was a good heat sink you could just build data centers inside mountains on Earth orders of magnitude cheaper. Rock might eventually dissipate heat but it's not conductive enough to carry it away from heat generating elements to keep them from melting down.

Renewables on Earth include solar, wind, hydro, tidal, and geothermal. Even if your data center was 100% solar you only need enough storage to cover night usage and maybe a few days of total cloud cover. A grid tie is also trivial. A data center on the Moon requires two weeks of power storage and has no grid tie option.

Again, this is all ignoring the literally astronomical cost of getting mass to the Moon.

If you want expensive but non-polluting data centers you'd get more bang for your buck building them on or under the ocean with renewable power attached. A barge or submerged platform with ocean water for cooling anchored off-shore would provide orders of magnitude better latency and be orders of magnitude cheaper.

[jabl]

Yes, but you need 14 times the battery capacity on the moon unless you plan to shut down your machine half the time.

[blueblisters]

Meh building underwater makes more sense imo. Microsoft is already doing this: https://news.microsoft.com/features/under-the-sea-microsoft-...