[alistproducer2]

Letting the enemy set the terms of and frame the debate so we're starting on the low ground seems to be par for the course for folks on the left end of the spectrum. Pick your issue: climate change, policing, war on terror, lgbt rights, socialized medicine, on and on. You start to wonder if "our side" is throwing the game.

[chiefalchemist]

Agreed, mostly. Throw the game? I'm not sure they even know where the game is, and what's being played. Too often they're at the wrong venue suited up to play checkers. That's no way to win a chess match.

To your point, so often this happens that there's only two possibilities:

- incompetence / negligence - it's intentional

Either way, we lose.