[convolvatron]

if no one did anything because they loved it, or because they thought it would help humankind, the world would be a much sadder and more transactional place. i dont know that we would have mathematicians, musicians, writers, costumers, chefs...or really much of anything

maybe just replace delusional with 'idealistic' or some other dismissive but less directly offensive term

[bradlys]

Or maybe it's that many people who did those things and became successful with it are from privileged positions that allowed them to do such things...

And so if we lifted people into positions where they didn't feel like their basic needs would be taken away if they didn't work some job making money then they could experiment and do things that were less transactional... But until we have that Star Trek future - we gonna be transactional.

[convolvatron]

i guess i was talking sideways...was trying to say that some of the most valuable things we do as a species are already non or quasi transactional.