[themacguffinman]

Good. The only people who come up with new ways are the people who have the ego to try, and the world is richer for it. I'm glad the world is filled with engineers who try and fail and learn instead of those who would rather not create a fuss.

[partyboat1586]

I think developing new ways to do CRUD is great but as an industry we take it too far.

I worked at an agency that produced CRUD apps at a rate you wouldn't believe. Every task was correctly estimated to the nearest hour. Add xyz entity 2hrs, add xyz frontend widget 3hrs, change deployment pipeline 4hrs etc. This was possible because they picked a tech stack and stuck with it.

I've also worked at companies where doing the same task could be 2 or 3 days. A place where no task can be estimated smaller than 1 day. The reason being the infrastructure, deployment pipeline, tech stack etc is overcomplicated. Way too much overhead.

Unless you are building some massive scalable solution all you need for BE is Spring/Django/.Net and an SQL server with a single backend dev who knows his stuff. Frontend you might need to change frameworks more often but still you can go a solid 2-3 years building momentum before needing to switch.

[csharptwdec19]

I feel your pain.

Especially on the .NET side.

A general history of CRUD in .NET:

- Basic ADO.NET (Not too different from JDBC/ODBC, direct commands)

- First Gen ORMs; Linq2Sql (functional but only on SQL server, and missing some features)

- Entity Framework (4-6) /NHibernate. Lots of people wound up hating this, so they went to

- Dapper. Dead simple; Takes SQL and only maps the results back. Everyone loves it.... Similar abstractions are created over Linq (linq2db, SqlFu) as well, with less (but happier) adoption.

- EF Core is released. Everyone switches back over again.

The whole thing is silly.

[partyboat1586]

Yeah, all the churn costs more time and resources than it saves. I personally just stayed with Dapper, simple and flexible. I think people have a problem with judging tech based on any benefit rather than cost benefit analysis. People also value cuteness and elegance in doing 'common' tasks over conceptual simplicity and a similar degree of ugliness for all operations.