[jdm2212]

This is the kind of stuff you can believe in if you haven't been a student at a bad public school. There are students who for the sake of their classmates (to say nothing of the teachers' sanity) absolutely have to be handled with "cop shit" because they won't respond to anything else and will disrupt not only their own class, but every nearby class too.

[santoshalper]

That's exactly the kind of bullshit that Law and Order people sell every day while they poison our society with violence, force, and mistrust. This is the kind of bullshit that got us the TSA (never forget!) and real censorship (think of the children!).

Law and Order - Destroying our society every day.

[klyrs]

Those kids need better outlets, and more support; cop shit turns it into a power struggle that entrenches their adversarial mindset.

Source: I went to a "bad" public school, take issue with abusive authority, and had a mix of bad-cop and supportive teachers. It's the supportive teachers who rolled their eyes and moved on from my antics, and rewarded efforts I put into the class (regardless if they were trollish misinterpretations of assignments -- the good ones celebrate the creativity but still give a fair grade) who actually flipped me from being a class clown. Now, I've got a PhD in math.

Take a hyperactive, disinterested, insubordinate student and you will find intelligence and creativity. You can steer that focus towards destruction by whacking them with sticks, or you can steer it towards productivity by wafting carrots. Cop shit doesn't help except when students are literally beating eachother and you need to pull them apart.

[jdm2212]

The disruptive students I'm thinking of were basically juvenile delinquents, not future math PhDs who trolled on homework sometimes. The girl who dropped acid in economics class, the girl who peed on the floor in math class, the guy who beat the shit out of another guy in the cafeteria, the two girls who were literally ripping each other's hair out in the hallway until my history teacher pulled them off of each other. There weren't that many of them, but in a class of 30 students a single one of them (just 3%) can guarantee no one learns anything.

[klyrs]

Don't take this hindsight for granted. Nobody would have said I was a future math PhD, and several of my teachers were quite convinced that I'd never amount to shit. I was a bad student, and got in trouble for all sorts of shit. Numerous teachers gave up on me very early in my education: my third grade teacher moved my desk to face the corner as a "permanent" punishment because I was disruptive. It was a collaborative effort between my parents and a few good teachers to even get me through high school, and I had no interest in higher education. It was only after a few years bored as fuck in web development that I started to wonder if I could make something more of myself, that I went back to school.