[vlads_]

I've watched 30 clips. ALL of them were 30 second clips with no context. All of them from one Twitter thread as well, so not sure why that was not linked instead.

On the other hand, all of the instances of so-called police brutality with context which I've seen elsewhere occur after the police calmly order the protestors to leave a particular area, or to go home because of a curphew order or something else and the protests refuse in a less-than-calm manner.

My question is this: is the police using force to manage a crowd always unjustified in your view?

[nojvek]

There is a very American viewpoint that the rest of the world is somehow different. There are police in Taiwan, Australia, Canada and most of Europe.

They are friendly and don’t over exert their force in a frequent manner like the US.

In US the police just take out their gun for absolutely petty reasons. It’s like they just want to escalate the situation rather than calm it down.

So yes, the problem is American police don’t know how to calm a crowd down. They stand like robots rather than be humans and listen and work with the crowd.

In many instances the first shots are fired by the police.

The crowd has been otherwise quite peaceful exercising their first amendment right.

[vlads_]

> The crowd has been otherwise quite peaceful exercising their first amendment right.

Not going to lie, this actually made me laugh[1].

Other than that, you missed my point entirely. When a policeman calmly explains to you that you are not allowed to be in a particular area for 10 mintues and the whole crowd screams in disapproval and refuses to leave, so the police use force to remove the crowd, and someone tapes a 30 second clip of this, you can see how you can get the wrong impression.

Maybe the portestors are in the right and their presence is protected by the first amendment, but that's a whole different story. It'd also be a different story if they weren't allowed to protest at all, but they are. Just not absolutely whenever and wherever they want.

Is that the story behind every single one of these instances? Of course not. But I'd wager it's the story behind a vast majority of them. Unfortunately, there is no way to know if I'm right or not, as these clips do not provide any insight into that. Just senzationalism.

[1]: https://youtu.be/QjnMuujUGq8

[TeaDrunk]

It's still correct the vast majority of the protests are peaceful.

[vlads_]

And the vast majority of policemen are not beating people up.

[TeaDrunk]

The majority of policemen are either beating people up, standing around while others beat people up, or are actively aware of systemic injustices in their system and not fighting it tooth and nail. They're all part of a union. They should be voting for policies to operate among themselves with accountability, respectability, and and a sense of justice.

[dannypgh]

All 57 members of Buffalo's emergency response unit resigned in protest of disciplinary actions taken against the men who shoved a 75 year old man and then walked over his body while he bled from the ear. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/06/05/buffalo-off...

It's not at all obvious to me that the majority of policemen don't support the abuses, even if they aren't all getting their hands dirty.

[vlads_]

I can't access the link because it's paywalled, but I assume you're talking about this clip: https://youtu.be/kGsqg5vtahA . EDIT: Found the free button :). Yeah, I guessed right.

I can't see how you can classify this as an abuse. Yeah, the cops should have apprehended him instead of pushing him after he started scanning their equipment, or whatever he was doing, but it's very clear from the clip the officers had no intention of harming the man. You even have some guys in green checking on him at the tail end of the video. The officer which pushes him also appears to try to help immediately after the incident - even if it's not exactly clear what he was trying to do -, before he is pushed back in formation.

Did any officer resign in solidarity with George Floyd's murderer? Or in some other incident which we can all agree is an abuse?