[wtracy]

> the whole point is to use excess power from solar/wind.

Thank you.

> But converting that into carbon fuels that work directly in existing infrastructure and is effectively carbon neutral is a good option too.

This approach seems really underrated, at least for transportation.

Hydrocarbons still have the best energy density of the realistic options. We have a century of experience building ICEs with favorable power/weight ratios. Why throw all that away?

[bit_logic]

Too often have environmentalists let the perfect be the enemy of good. I understand why they feel that way, for so long have they fought against fossil fuel companies and other interests. They feel like if they give an inch, they will take a mile and climate change is too urgent. And so they oppose any transitional technology. They want to push for only perfect solutions like EVs and batteries.

But I want those environmentalists to sit down and think. Yes, climate change is urgent, and that urgency should make you stop asking for perfection. There are 1.4 billion cars in the world. Even a 100% ban today on ICE car production is not going to change that. Cars have an average usable span measured in decades. The projections for 2050 are catastrophic if carbon emissions don't go down.

Green tech has one big overwhelming victory right now, solar/wind. It's annihilating coal and will eventually defeat natural gas as well. We can take that victory and use it to make the existing cars and airplanes carbon neutral. If you care about climate change, why is this not more exciting than EVs?

[m_mueller]

Well, is it such a big victory for renewable? I think the big winner atm. is natural gas from fracking, which could easily be the final nail in the coffin.