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by ZeroGravitas 2195 days ago
You don't need carbon to store energy, you can just stop at hydrogen (or use nitrogen to make ammonia).

Processes can be refitted to use pure hydrogen or it can just be added in small increments to existing gas burning plants.

Replacing anything that burns fuel with carbon in it with alternatives that dont is a better solution.

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hydrogen is notoriously difficult to store. Being an atom "thick" generally means it leaks through containers regardless of what you try to do.

And I don't know if you've played the game "Oxygen Not Included", but creating liquid hydrogen is no easy task either.

A more dense energy storage substance (such as a hydrocarbon) would probalby be more efficient in terms of transportation / use / storage.

Hydrogen leaks in an oxygen atmosphere (like the one here on earth) are pretty dangerous, as they are effectively invisible in daylight, due to almost all the energy going directly to infrared. Due to that NASA test engineers used to walk with a broom in front of them in areas where hydrogen leaks could happen. If the broom suddenly caught fire, there was a burning hydrogen leak in front of the engineer! A picture of this can be seen here:

https://spinoff.nasa.gov/spinoff1997/ps1.html

Not just leaks, hydrogen can destroy the structure of many metals and make them brittle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement

And another issue is the very low density - you van see it with hydrolox rockets, how big they are & how their liquid hydrogen tanks are compared to the LOX tanks. This adds up in tank weight, removing some of the energy/density benefits. This is one of the reasons many next gen rockets are opting for liquid methane instead of liquid hydrogen.

I didn’t expect to see ONI in a hacker news thread!

Yes, hydrogen is an absolute mess to handle in free form, while hydrocarbons... stable, energy dense, and something we’ve had experience working with for a couple of centuries now.

A nice side effect would be that synthetic hydrocarbons might possibly reduce the dependency on oil for manufacturing plastics, dyes etc. It’s incredibly exciting... I don’t see how this isn’t a huge win.

Lots of homes and buildings use natural gas for heat. It would be nice to replace that with something carbon neutral, but the infrastructure can't handle hydrogen levels above 10-20%.