[Lammy]

Not to speak for GP, but perhaps they mean https://www.rust-lang.org/policies/code-of-conduct ?

> Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.

> Please keep unstructured critique to a minimum. If you have solid ideas you want to experiment with, make a fork and see how it works.

I am not "anti-CoC" but I do see how the particular wording of this one could be interpreted to silence pretty much any technical discussion that someone doesn't like.

[staticassertion]

I think many in the rust community would feel the opposite. Technical conversations, especially tough ones, are far easier when you come in with some enforced civility. More people can contribute their differing technical opinions, not fewer.

[asjw]

I work with autistic people.

Not as a doctor, but as software engineer, I teach programming to autistic people that work in the field and are hired because they are autistic, not despite it.

This particular company looks for them, trains them and put them to work on software projects, just like any other software house would do.

One thing they are often bad at is "enforced civility" not because they are uncivil people, but because their though process is different from ours and forcing them to adhere to some rigid form of presenting opinions that has no other use than enforcing a rule just for the sake of it, bores them in the best of cases, makes them angry in others, but makes uncomfortable in general.

You shouldn't decide how people in a community interact with the community, you should value their contributions and just that.

Civility can be enforced of course, but post-facto, after further investigation.

Doing it preemptively in the COC sounds bad to me.

But I could be wrong.

BTW I have interacted with Rust community and have been downloaded every time I've said something on the line of "maybe it's not the silver bullet"

So my experience says less people can contribute.

[staticassertion]

I don't understand why an autistic person would be incapable of expressing a technical issue in a way that isn't sexist/racist, etc, which is basically 99% of compliance with a CoC.

Downvoting has nothing to do with the CoC.

[chinesempire]

Autistics are not neurotipical

The Rust COC is so vague that anything can be flagged as "non welcome"

Nobody said racist or sexist and I don't understand were it's coming from

If they don't want sexism or racism, they should write sexism and racism

An autistic person will react differently from neurotipical when confronted about manners, in a way that the COC forbids

Communities should be goal based, tribes are based on rules and enforcing them

[staticassertion]

> Nobody said racist or sexist and I don't understand were it's coming from

> We are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of level of experience, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, personal appearance, body size, race, ethnicity, age, religion, nationality, or other similar characteristic.

"Non welcome" doesn't appear in the CoC. The most vague part, I would say, is:

> Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.

The bar is extremely low here. No one is saying "you have to say please and thank you or you're banned" it's more like don't personally insult people to an extreme. That could be more explicit, since some people may have a harder time interpreting that - seems like valuable feedback.

> An autistic person will react differently from neurotipical when confronted about manners, in a way that the COC forbids

I am quite sure that many members of the rust community are far from neurotypical and they do fine. Autistic people are capable of technical conversations in which they are not attacking people.