[doiwin]

    some of the function names make
    me want to stab people

What would be an example?

    My only real gripe with PHP is
    the annotation syntax

What do you mean? Afaik there is no "annotation syntax" in PHP. Could it be that you confuse what certain frameworks and IDEs do with PHP, the language?

[Karunamon]

Function names are rather inconsistent.

get: gettype get_class

str: str_ireplace str_pad str_repeat str_replace str_shuffle str_split str_word_count strcasecmp strchr strcmp strcoll strcspn

encode: base64_encode quoted_printable_encode session_encode rawurlencode urlencode gzencode

php: php_uname php_sapi_name php_logo_guid phpinfo phpcredits phpversion

htmlentites: htmlentities html_entity_decode

to: stream_copy_to_stream strtolower strtotime strtoupper unixtojd

2: bin2hex deg2rad hex2bin ip2long long2ip nl2br rad2deg

[danaris]

I have heard—and I do not recall the source for this, so it may be incorrect—that when PHP was originally being written, the hashing algorithm for function calls used the length of the function name as its primary key. Thus, making each function name a slightly different length made the code run faster.

Of course it would've been nice if, at any time in the past 20 years, they'd gone back and standardized those function names (possibly also adding some kind of backwards-compatibility shim for people who absolutely cannot update their ancient codebase with global search-and-replace), regardless of whether the story is true.

[johannes1234321]

That reasoning is true to a third.

Length as hash was indeed a thing in PHP/FI 2.

Second third to the reason is that PHP often takes names from underlying C libraries. strlen is strlen since that's the C name etc.

Third third reasoning is that early PHPade it easy to contribute. You had a need and a patch - a few minute Slater it is in. Nowadays there is more of a debate and vote before things are added (in my personal opinion too much emphasize on voting, but, well that's how things go, some day the process will be relaxed again ... and strengthend ... and relaxed)

Cleaning this up isn't trivial. There eis sooooo much code written already. There are sooo many tutorials, books, articles, magazines, videos and muscle memory making a change hard, even ignoring that for many things there is no single truth about what is best.

From time to time some modules might see replacements with more streamlined APIs (i.e. Maybe someday one figures out what a good and practical Unicode aware string library might be, which might replace the classic string mess) but those are multi year things.

[Karunamon]

A good place to start would seem to be creating naive aliases to these functions to at least fix the consistency problem. There's a possibility of breaking some code out there if someone made their own, say, "str_cmp", but we're used to breaking changes between major revs, and these could be fixed with a grep -l | xargs sed.

After that's done, we can talk about deprecation warnings, and then finally outright removal.

[johannes1234321]

Doing that means you have to first agree on a name, strcmp has vertical consistency with C. str_compare might be nice, string_compare even nicer.

Once that debate is over you have to migrate all old code and all developers and teach them to use the new form. Throwing away all preexisting documentation and telling them why typing more is better.

Only then the old form can be removed.

Is it really worth it? - And yes, there is an argument "in the next 25 years there will be noore code written than in last 25" but still, is it worth it?

To give a feeling on the time period: PHP had this register_globals feature where URL (GET) and POST parameters became global variables. Getting rid of that, from introducing a replacement, over changing default and final removal of the option, too 10 years. When taking that time frame it's 10 years of confusion.

[Karunamon]

Problem 1 is basic standardization and naming things. Hard, but possible.

Problem 2 is is solved by adding the deprecation warnings. The code works, but it generates warning messages.

Yes, it'll take some time, but I'd argue it's necessary. Unless you've memorized the entire standard library, remembering which functions use underscores and which don't (and which ones use "to" vs "2") is an unnecessary mental burden.

[wlll]

Not to mention array_reverse (or is it reverse_array, I forget) which returns a new array leaving the original intact, whereas the sort functions return 1 and operate on the original array in place.

Also, why is it array_reverse, but rsort? I dunno.

[tehbeard]

> What would be an example?

The mix of c like strpos, strstr and inconsistent parameter ordering (see array map and filter for example)

> What do you mean? Afaik there is no "annotation syntax" in PHP. Could it be that you confuse what certain frameworks and IDEs do with PHP, the language

If there's no official standard, but everyone follows a community standard, then that is the standard. Quit being pedantic.

Hopefully PHP 8's attributes work to fix the mess that is phpdoc being used for annotations.

[ZeroGravitas]

There's possibly an argument that reusing C names when you're wrapping or emulating C functions is actually a good usability design choice which has, over time, become a negative.

Like a floppy-disk save icon, what helped one generation becomes obscure to the next and they obly see the flaws.

[_-david-_]

>Hopefully PHP 8's attributes work to fix the mess that is phpdoc being used for annotations.

PHP8 annotations won't allow nested annotations so its only a partial solution.

[mekster]

Stab?

So, all your work must be completely perfect and makes everyone happy?

It's easy to criticize but I don't get how people become so offensive with the wording.