[tomnipotent]

> No there aren't

Yes, there are. Such a ridiculous statement to think people can't be great at something just because they don't tick some arbitrary box you came up with for evaluation.

If that's the case, then there are no great 9-5 anything... but the odd thing is, I've met plenty of them.

[rubber_duck]

You aren't getting what I'm trying to say - the market for competent 9-5 is also missing developers - it's not that there aren't any - it's that demand > supply - which is why OP is worried about his employees leaving - it's not like he can go out there with a job posting and have 5 competent applicants in a week. You will have to pay recruiters serious money and hope to get lucky on competent leads - so "there are plenty" argument is BS.

[tomnipotent]

> so "there are plenty" argument is BS.

Just like your argument, which pulls claims out of thin air. You haven't made any points at all, simply rambled about competence without backing anything up.

I've learned more often than not, that when someone claims "competence" what they're really saying is "I'm not finding the exact skills I'm looking for, which are hyper-contextualized around the problem I'm currently facing, at the exact moment I need them at the cost I think is best. Which will change in six months, at which point a different cohort of people will be labeled incompetent."