[taborj]

Yes. I've found a strange inconsistency with some of the people calling for the defunding of police - they were until very recently saying citizens didn't need guns because the police were always close by. Now they're saying the police are bad and we can take care of ourselves.

[elicash]

It's probably different people saying different things.

First, folks who have been calling for prison abolition, for instance, tend to be anti-gun control because it's a tool that's used to put more black and brown people in prisons. A lot of these folks also call for defunding police.

Second, this is different from saying "citizens don't need guns." That different argument is simply based on the idea that people are less safe when they have guns, not more safe. While some is due to accidents, much of it is suicides.

[humanrebar]

But what is the policy approach to protect law-abiding citizens from crazy exes and people who take an affinity to lynching? Saying "solve poverty" seems like both a huge leap in logic and frankly harder than "solving" crime.

I appreciate the discord between current political alliances, but explaining that it exists seems to imply that major reductions in policing is not a fully considered plan.

[elicash]

You should read some books about prison abolition if you're interested in getting all the details about how it would work.