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by 50ckpuppet 2198 days ago
More mental gymnastics and gyrations to justify muzzling the opposing narrative.
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People are clamoring for facebook to censor, mostly because they think that facebook will censor in their political favor
The real problem is that ~40% of America supports/votes for the POTUS, following him on social media, re-shares his memes, etc.

People are looking to generally open communications platforms like Facebook and asking them to censor, but if they carried their logic to its conclusion, the President’s emails, texts, mobile Apps, and press releases should all be censored or blacklisted by communications providers.

If the president sent out content similar to his tweets through a Trump 2020 campaign app on the apple store and android store, should Apple / google remove the app from the store? Should they build in a filter in chrome and Safari to block access to the trump 2020 campaign website?

Where does this logically end?

You want to censor 40% of the country? How can that be logical
My point is that the people asking Zuck to censor are asking to censor 40% of the country.

Personally since I disagree with the 40% I do see it as the “real problem” but I don’t think facebook censoring them is the solution. It might be possible to censor away InfoWars or whatever but I don’t think you can censor away the POTUS and 40% of the country...

I don't think the above poster is claiming it is logical, but the opposite.
The real problem is that you refuse to take people you disagree with seriously. You keep fucking lying about them, you keep pushing people towards their side by being an absolute fucking cunt. Just stop. It's not helping.
Could you please stop creating accounts to do flamewar here? It's not in your interest to do that, first because you're contributing to destroying the community that you're participating in, and second because these sorts of attacks just reinforce the people you disagree with.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I am taking it seriously. The logic that demands Facebook censor trump from their open platform doesn’t have any clear limiting factor that means that Trump shouldn’t be censored off other communications service providers.

Not a MAGA type by the way. I’ve voted against trump in 3 elections already and will be voting against him again in the fall.

People fail to understand that nothing is static. One minute you’re in, the other minute you’re out.

What was PC today may not be PC tomorrow depending on dynamics.

They don’t understand the same forces they want to use to muzzle someone today can become the force that muzzles them tomorrow.

They like Jack censoring twitter only because he aligns with them. They don’t like Mark right now because he doesn’t 100% align with them.

They don’t care one whit about data retention and third party selling, etc. all they care about is “are you aligned with my narrative today?”

> People fail to understand that nothing is static. One minute you’re in, the other minute you’re out.

This is why Free Speech is so important. Regardless of how inappropriate someone's speech is, or may seem in the present context, they should be allowed to express it as long as they are not directly inciting violence/hate. Not all countries have this Right so let's take a second to appreciate that.

This viewpoint is well represented on HN as well, worryingly.
It may be worrying but it's not surprising. Every common-enough point of view will be well represented in any large-enough population sample, assuming the sample wasn't specifically selected to exclude it.
That's very true, and a point I've made in the past about other opinions (namely, internet trolls). My assumption though, was that HN had a very well educated population, who know the dangers of censorship.
More mental gymnastics trying to believe whatever Trump has up next on his plate to rant about isn’t propaganda aimed at inciting violence.