[romanr]

Telegram indeed have better UX and same level of e2e security. Why Signal is getting all the publicity?

[detaro]

Telegram has off-by-default E2E encryption with a less vetted algorithm that only works for 1:1 chats, and less focus on minimizing server knowledge. That's clearly not

> same level of e2e security

[prophesi]

And both users need to be online at the same time for the E2E-encrypted chat. Very limiting.

[nix23]

Telegram is not opensource, Signal is...and yes you can setup your own server with Signal. Why trust a Closed-source-Software? Do you even know that it is encrypted?

[sorenjan]

https://github.com/DrKLO/Telegram

https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

[nix23]

THAT is not the server, its like saying Firefox is opensource so Facebook is too, thanks and no thanks for the link's.

[sorenjan]

The encryption takes place in the client though, which you can verify by looking at the client source code. I find your comparison with Facebook a bit lacking, a better one would have been by looking at the Firefox code to verify if https traffic is encrypted.

[fsflover]

You can setup your own server with Signal, but you will not participate in the same network, so this is not really relevant.

[nix23]

For Country's or big-business it is relevant