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by asjw 2202 days ago
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To be clear I'm Italian, I don't think life in Italy is worse than in many other western countries, I would say it's generally better, especially for the medium-low income segment of the population

PCI (the Italian communist party) obtadined regularly a third of the votes until it was disbanded in 1992

I don't think it ended up in horror or that it made Italy a place in ruins

Corruption was very popular here in those years, but the government have been anti communists for 50 years straight from the end of WW2 until 1998, when the first former communist, Massimo D'Alema, became prime minister.

He has also been a popular meme

https://pietrodn.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/dalema-meme.jpg

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Honestly, it's not going great for "the greatest democracy of the world"

What I want to point out is that absolute systems (100% this or 100% that) don't work because masses of people are not 100% something

There's nothing inherently wrong in communism, it's a great idea, it's just not for everybody all the time, just like American hyper liberism is good for some and bad for many (redistribution skewed towards the richest, social injustice, expensive health care and all of that...)

How has the USSR ended up in horror? What about Cuba?

I will give you Vietnam though.

> How has the USSR ended up in horror?

By their own mistakes again and again?

Same way as Maos China until they changed?

> I will give you Vietnam though.

How about this instead, I give you Cuba, that seems like a good example I think, at least I am not aware of any major henocides there and they have been attempted strangled for a number of years so not only their fault.

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Compared to the US it doesn't sound too bad.
> By enslaving other countries for half of the century?

United States involvement in regime change in Latin America

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

United States foreign policy in the Middle East

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_policy_i...

Role of the United States in the Vietnam War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_United_States_in_t...

and many others.

is it so different?

I agreed with some of the interventions (Bosnian war 1992), I didn't with many others, as an Italian seeing the bombing in 1999 in Kosovo from the other side of the Adriatic sea was heartbreaking (you could actually see them at night, the sky became as bright as the day!).

Many of my friends at the time were balkans running away from the previous wars and coming to Italy.

I actively protested against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, against the bombing in Libya, against Guantanamo, against Abu Ghraib tortures, against their policy of using drones that killed a lot of civilians in middle east, testified by wikileaks documents.

You have to remember that they moved the war to our doors in Europe, we lived them, we still suffer the consequences and, more than us, many of our human brothers are still running from them.

Please, try to understand US imperialism is no better than anybody else's.

Also, my entire family was communist in Italy, they fought against the fascist regime in Italy, they went to jail for it, fortunately many of them survived, by sheer luck.

Please, before lecturing us about communism, at least try to learn the many faces of it in history.

Stalin is just the easy winning argument (he died in f*ing 1953, USSR lived almost 40 years after his death!) like pretending US is McCharty, Trump, the KKK and the institutional racism.

Also: US recruited many nazi generals after the war that gave away secrets in exchange for new identities, money and immunity, so, not really a surprise that there are nazis running the US right now

What about Chile, Contras, the KKK ... ?

What about the Videla's coup d'état supported by US that lead to hundreds of thousands of desaparecidos?

One cannot simply point the finger and judge, without taking responsibility for their own wrongdoings

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So you are taking responsibility for your country's wrongdoings?

I am from Rome, a place with quite the history, it's not that bad either.

Hironically the best Major that my city remembers (regardless of the political ideology) is Luigi Petroselli, elected in 1979, in office until the day of his death and a member of the Italian communist party since 1950, when he was 18...