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by Veen 2214 days ago
> You will find plenty of marketing experts all around you, but none of them will work for a commission

You won't find many developers who work on a commission either.

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The developers have a lot more risks (the product never gets built, the product at its end isn't compelling, the founder moves on to something else and/or there never is any follow-through). The marketers are being asked to help take something that already has been built and make it take off. I think his point is a valid one that this isn't something you often see, which does run a bit counterintuitive to what you'd expect especially since commission-based structures are so common generally in sales.
One of the issues is that sales generated by a salesperson are a lot easier to attribute than sales generated by marketing. Let's say that, as a content marketer, I write an article for a client's blog that is widely shared. The article increases mindshare for the product, helps to establish the brand, and makes a material difference to the number of sales over the next year. But how does the business attribute those sales to me so that I get my commission? Many of those sales will not be from people clicking a CTA on the blog article, but from people who remember the brand and make a purchase weeks or months later. It's not even as easy as it seems to attribute sales to PPC or other forms of advertising.
Developers building products that noone uses is the status quo.

There are likely hundreds of thousands, or millions of developer built apps with no users.

Just because a product was built does not meet the only thing left is marketing.

In fact, I would rather have great marketing than a great product.

A lousy product with revenue can be iterated on more quickly than a great product with no revenue.

I don't think this is a good analogy, for many reasons.

Also, the reason why I wanted to have a marketer on a commission is not because I don't want to pay or because I don't have money. It's because I want accountability. My strong suspicion is that most of the self-proclaimed marketing gurus do not deliver.

There certainly are marketing "gurus" who are nothing more than conmen. But skilled marketers also come across "founders" with nothing but a shitty MVP (or even just an idea), an inflated sense of their own ability, and grossly exaggerated expectations of the potential of their product to change the world, if only a marketer would "partner" with them to build a brand and traffic. It's a huge risk for a marketer to invest months of time in a product that could go nowhere because the founder is a flake or the engineering doesn't work out — all on commission with no stock options if everything comes together.
> * You will find plenty of marketing experts all around you, but none of them will work for a commission, which speaks to how much trust they really place in their "skills".

Your product is unproven. How do I know you can convert and retain a qualified audience?

In my case, it's very much proven. I can show organic growth over 4 years, retention stats (excellent), etc. — it's very clear what the traction is and compared to incoming traffic, all parameters are excellent. So this is not the problem.
That's because it's fairly easy to link acquisitions with different marketing channels, whereas that is not possible for most technical work.

If you want to give engineers a financial interest you do it through options / stock, which is very common.