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by chrisseaton 2210 days ago
Wouldn't you rather charge over a standard connector like USB rather than some random proprietary barrel and block?
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How are barrel connectors "proprietary"?
> How are barrel connectors "proprietary"?

Are they standardised? Can I use a Dell barrel charger on an HP?

Wikipedia says it's a mess and people aren't following any standards, with the same physical connector having different voltages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial_power_connector#Standa....

You need a Dell charger for a Dell laptop. We call this 'proprietary'.

Can I use a Dell barrel charger on an HP?

You can, if they didn't add any additional DRM on top of it (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23304194 ) and the polarity is correct (center-positive is most common.)

The voltage is basically irrelevant --- 18-20V is going to be 90% of all laptops, and the other range is 10-12V.

> You can, if they didn't add any additional DRM on top of it ... and the polarity is correct ... [and the voltage is in range]

Right - this is what we mean by proprietary.

You realize a barrel jack is just some metal of a certain size right? Calling a barrel jack proprietary because dell added crazy things to their own power supplies is nonsense. Barrel jacks have been around and sold individually in bulk for half a century.
> You realize a barrel jack is just some metal of a certain size right?

The dimensions you use and the voltage you put across it and polarity you use all make the jacks incompatible. You have to use a Dell charger for a Dell laptop.

You could add those same DRMs to a USB-C connection and 'manufacturer required' power supply.

Barrel connectors are not proprietary just because someone implemented theirs in some specific way to harm consumers.

In fact USB-C connectors are more likely to implement a DRM, given that the connector comes 'batteries-included' with a data channel that won't need to be re-imagined.

Barrel jacks offer no such boot-straps to would-be DRMers. That isn't to say it's impossible (as HP/Dell/Fujitsu have proven), but a 2 prong barrel jack is going to require a bit more effort.

If you are using proprietary to mean 'consumer-hostile', use a better phrase. Proprietary has specific context to IP/copyright/design.

> If you are using proprietary to mean 'consumer-hostile', use a better phrase.

I'm not - I'm using it to mean non-standard and specific to an individual vendor. I can use my Apple USB-C charger to charge anything accepting USB-C, which is most things these days. I can't use my Dell laptop charger to charge anything except a Dell laptop. That's what I mean by proprietary.

> You could add those same DRMs to a USB-C connection and 'manufacturer required' power supply.

And yet I know of exactly zero instances of this happening, probably because it'd be exceptionally silly to do.