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by hopia 2205 days ago
From your complaints, which are all valid, at least the IDE problem is progressing very rapidly right now. Ghcide used to be a better solution over hie until now but now these two projects have been merged and we're finally getting something that works well out of the box.
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ashtonkem 2205 days ago
My experience recently has been great steps forward in features, and massive steps backwards in reliability.
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gowld 2205 days ago
The problem is that every time Haskell achieves some major milestone in the state of the art developer experience, the world has moved on to something new and Haskell is 5 years behind again.
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yakshaving_jgt 2205 days ago
Could you be more specific on this point? From my perspective, it’s always all the mainstream languages that are copying things from Haskell.
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sukilot 2205 days ago
Haskell's language is very sophisticated, but the tooling and bindings to external systems is primitive.
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yakshaving_jgt 2205 days ago
Again, I’m going to ask for specifics. I run a Haskell company so I’m not unfamiliar with the language.
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gowld 2194 days ago
Eclipse then Visual Studio Code, Tensorflow, web services. I'm sure Haskell is great for you in your niche, but someone with arbitrary interest X, who knows Java or JavaScript or Python (or all 3 together, which is easier than knowing Haskell), X likely works out of the box with those languages, but not Haskell.
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yakshaving_jgt 2194 days ago
I’m sorry, but I still don’t understand what you mean. Haskell has mature libraries for writing web services. That’s what I use the language for, and it’s hardly a niche.

Plenty of people (including some of my colleagues) write Haskell in Visual Studio Code.

I don’t know anything about Tensorflow (though machine learning seems a bit more “niche” than building websites tbqh), and I haven’t known anyone to use Eclipse for writing code in the past decade or so.

Genuinely, I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. How would three general purpose languages “work out of the box” with X, but a fourth would not? Eclipse is a text editor and you can write Haskell with it. There are Haskell bindings to Tensorflow available.

Your point now doesn’t even seem to be consistent with your original point. How is Eclipse state-of-the-art? How is Haskell behind?

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