[jjjensen90]

You are completely wrong. It is trivial to have your k8s control plane and your workload cluster in something like an ASG, and basically know nothing about the nodes in either group. I'm not even using GKS or EKS, just ASGs on AWS. My servers and applications are cattle, not pets.

I knew literally nothing about k8s in September and now I have multiple clusters humming along, treating the worker cluster nodes as a generic pool of compute, autoscaling the cluster as well as the pods inside it. Upgrading is a breeze, I have great observability, I can deploy experiments and new applications with a single CI step or click, in fact I have nodes that are killed and get replaced for cost savings by SpotInst in the middle of the business day and I don't even need to know about it. My load balancers and even DNS are all provisioned for me and I can use the same Helm charts to create an identical staging and production environment.

Kubernetes IS the spirit of the Cloud and 12 factor apps. It's not that scary, and with tools like Rancher and k3s you can make it even simpler.

[pnako]

I don't have a horse in this nonsense but I find it hilarious that even users of Kubeanraenet have some trouble defining what it even is.

[jjjensen90]

No trouble, it is a system that can do many things and has many optional pieces. It is fundamentally a cloud native orchestration system.

[jen20]

> Kubernetes IS the spirit of the Cloud and 12 factor apps.

I would argue that Kubernetes has _nothing whatsoever_ to do with the spirit of the Cloud, and that in fact "serverless" embodies the spirit of pay-as-you-use consumption models.