[spacehunt]

> the HK people didn’t exactly fight for it

People tend not to demand a democratic system until they are dissatisfied with the governance.

> or make it easy

I still don't see how you've come to this conclusion.

> I can stand behind a Democracy movement, but find it harder to palate a political power grab.

Any democracy movement is by definition a political power grab.

[chrischen]

A large part of the gay rights movement come from supporters of human rights, not just people trying to protect their self interests.

The problem is there are a lot of third parties in play in HK and if I'm going to support Democracy I want to be sure that's what I'm supporting. If it's poor governance, I want to be sure I'm supporting good governance. If it's poor housing policy, I want to support good housing policy movements. I don't want to be a pawn in a proxy political war between Eastern powers and Western powers while my own democratic rights are being eroded by the US senate.