[rad_gruchalski]

With Kotlin and Scala in existence, that ain’t going to happen. C# is as verbose as it was years ago. After years of Scala collections, eithers, options, why would anybody consider C#.

Just look at plumbing with init, data records and with. That is what a case class with val properties in Scala gives.

But congratulations to the team on shipping v9.

[couchcombinator]

Because Scala takes mind-boggingly long to compile. Because Scala has so many features that anything has at least 3 different ways to implement it. Because it’s very easy to write unreadable code in scala, not so much in C#. Because Scala uses JVM, while C# has access to .NET (yes this is an advantage for many developers).

[whycombagator]

> Because Scala has so many features that anything has at least 3 different ways to implement it.

Thankfully that problem doesn't exist with C# /s

[yashap]

What are the last Scala/sbt versions you’ve used? Scala compilation times (and sbt startup times) have improved dramatically over time, it’s reasonably fast now. In the past 3 years, the Scala compiler has gotten literally twice as fast. I don’t have hard numbers for sbt, but it feels like it has improved by much more than that.

For a mid-sized web service (tens of thousands of LOC), a clean compile might take ~30-40 seconds, but you rarely do those. Incremental compiles take more like single-digit seconds, and for most projects you can have a solid “compile on save” type setup that makes it pretty unnoticeable. And sbt itself, which used to be very slow to startup (sometimes 10-20 seconds), now starts up in a couple seconds.

It’s not lightning fast like Go, but it’s way faster than it used to be. Not much of a pain point anymore unless you’re dealing with truly huge projects.

[The_rationalist]

All your points except the last one do not apply to Kotlin

[bulldoa]

is kotlin slow to compile

[snuxoll]

It's certainly slower than javac (which is pretty freaking fast - maybe not in comparison to go, but it's no slouch), but it certainly mops the floor with scalac.

[svick]

> C# is as verbose as it was years ago.

It isn't. Pretty much every release (including C# 9.0) adds some features that make your code more concise.