[hawaiian]

Except that I don't trust Telegram because they seem to ship a marketing-first, cryptography-later sort of product. IIRC initially their "E2E encryption" could be decrypted on the server. In contrast, Signal seems to put strong encryption first.

[seemslegit]

There is no E2E encryption in Telegram for any reasonable definition of the term.

[eitland]

This is plain wrong. I think even tptacek has become more careful about his wording now.

There's a lot of problems around Telegram from their marketing to their crypto implementation to their incentives.

But please stick to the facts.

[seemslegit]

Facts are that whatever e2e encryption telegram allegedly offers needs to be invoked per-conversation as a 'secret chat' and is not availabe on dekstops, normal conversations are ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -encrypted