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by brainzap 2223 days ago
I miss Trello: add task, edit, save.
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Can anyone explain to me why Trello is so popular? I'm serious; I honestly don't get it.

If I want to track tasks, I just make a Google Spreadsheet with a row for each task. This scales up easily to a hundred tasks or so, and it's straightforward to filter on a column to focus on particular categories or statuses. In Trello, I can see maybe 30 cards max before my screen space is all used up, and I spend so much time hunting around for cards. If a card has moved, I have to just read linearly through all the cards to find the one I'm looking for. I could use the search box, but that only pops up the detail window for the card; it doesn't show me where the card is in context.

Trello is like a task spreadsheet where you can only see a small amount of information at once, it's really hard to find tasks, you can't add custom columns, you can't colour-code things the way you want, you can't add tabs, you can't add formulas to do simple things like addition, you can't see previous versions, and on and on.

So why would you use Trello when you could use a Google Spreadsheet and get things done twice as fast? Does the whole product exist only because people like the cute little animation of picking up the tilty little cards and dragging them to other columns?

> Can anyone explain to me why Trello is so popular? I'm serious; I honestly don't get it.

It's sleek, powerful, constrained and optimized for it's single purpose, while still remain flexibel enough to give space. Also scales up nice for multiple users, from 2+, teams, 2+ departments and even whole companies or even more. And it also works on most platforms effortless.

> If I want to track tasks, I just make a Google Spreadsheet with a row for each task.

That reads horrible. How do you manage richtext with Spreadsheet? Links? Pictures? How do you collaborate with others? How does this get automated and integrate with other systems? How do you get a sane overview of the state of your tasks and projects? Sure, more or less all possible, but not on the level of quality you get from a specialized and over a long time optimized solution. And you need to invest the time to build this all first.

> So why would you use Trello when you could use a Google Spreadsheet and get things done twice as fast?

More like ten times slower.

How do you find cards? That's what really gets in the way for me.

How do you manage hundreds of cards? Dragging each card one at a time takes forever. If you want to make a change to a bunch of cards, do you open each card, edit it, close it, open the next card, etc. -- doesn't that take ages? Isn't it frustrating not being able to just drag 20 rows of a spreadsheet at once, or paste/format 20 cells at once?

> How do you get a sane overview of the state of your tasks and projects?

How do you get an overview when you can't see anything? In Trello I feel like I'm blind -- all the cards are scrolling off the bottom of the screen and the columns are off to the right. Instead of a single line of text maybe 20 pixels high, every card is a stack of labels, dates, a few lines of text, little icons and profile avatars. The minimal card is 100 or more pixels high, which means that only about 5 to 8 cards will fit vertically with all the other detritus packed into the UI.

How about an objective metric: in a given column of your Trello board, what fraction of the column can you see at once? Like what percentage of the vertical scrollbar track is the draggable part? For me it's about 5 to 10%.

I like Trello A LOT have like 30 different boards with probably thousands of cards.

Why Trello over Sheets?

I use Trello as basically a really extensible digital kanban board.

It also makes easier to associate tasks with each other add extra context (for instance if I'm keeping track of some long form context associated with a task where would you put that in sheets? A note? Can you search those? Once it gets really long a Google doc? I guess).

Also can add custom fields. I used this to allow me to add weights to cards so they automatically rearrange in priority order.

I even have boards that serve as a personal knowledge base.

I feel like Trello gives you really great free reign to discover a process for things and have it evolve over time.

Could you accomplish that with sheets? Probably but not as elegantly and definitely not with a UI

You are right that a spreadsheet gets more information on the screen, but Trello's kanban layout really highlights which task is "where" (in what state).

I've often used it with clients to let them know which high-level features are in progress, which are done, etc. It has also worked really well for collaborative trip planning. Both of these workflows benefit from cards with cover images too.

It's not a replacement for a company-wide knowledge base or an issue tracker for hundreds of tickets.

All the stuff you mentioned is not important when you’re collaborating on a project with others. Addition? Version control? Lol. Whatever.

Just because you don’t understand why people use Trello does not mean everyone’s a frivolous idiot.

What do you guys do for a living? Not a joke question.

GitHub more or less offers this in the Projects board feature:

https://help.github.com/en/github/managing-your-work-on-gith...

Folks who have used both Trello and gh Projects, how does Projects compare?
gh Projects

Pro:

- Integrated with GitHub issues

Con:

- Can not move card to other board

- No import/export

- No themes

- No change background image

- Only basic automation of moving cards to Done list etc

Trello

Pro:

- Can move card/list to other boards

- Export to JSON

- GitHub Power-Up for GitHub integration

- Butler for automating, in English

- Themes

- Change background image

- API

Con:

- Only SaaS, can not self-host, not Open Source

- No Swimlanes

- Export to CSV needs paid account

- No Import from JSON/CSV on free version web UI

Wekan https://wekan.github.io

Pro:

- Open Source, can self-host on x64, RasPi3/4 etc

- Import from Trello JSON cards/lists/checlists/attachments/labels/votes

- Import CSV, currently importing custom fields in progress of being added

- Import from Wekan JSON including attachments

- Export CSV, currently exporting custom fields in progress of being added

- Export Wekan JSON including attachments

- IFTTT Rules wizard has translations, but less rules than similar Trello Butler

- Swimlanes

- Themes

- Gogs integration https://github.com/wekan/wekan-gogs

- API, Outgoing Webhooks per board, Global Webhooks at admin panel of (nearly) all board actions

Con:

- Not integrated with GitHub yet

- No move list to other board yet

- No change background image yet

Less clunky in my opinion if you use it for software development because you can link it to issues / PRs and automate based on that
Trello… still exists?
Only on HN can people question the existence of an app which has 50M users. Trello might not be this month's flavor but I'll be damned if it's not one of the most useful planning tools out there.
I think tommoor is aware that Trello still exists, I read it as them questioning parent comment's phrasing "miss Trello"
I don't know how Trello has 50M users, and how so many people and companies can use it for project management. For anything more than a single board, I find it terribly lacking in functionality. Can't even see all your cards across boards without scrolling 50 times.
Using Trello well requires you to ruthlessly process cards. Once they start to "overflow" it becomes a nightmare
Lots of folks would argue that's a feature that exposes a problem in the conceptualization and modeling of a domain.
Well then they’re something wrong with you and your understanding of what people want in software. Can you link an app that you’ve made that people actually use?
> Only on HN can people question the existence of an app which has 50M users

1. GP isn't doing this. You misunderstood. 2. Even if they were(they weren't), how would this be something exclusive to HN?

It will soon be dead as Atlassian have started to kill it. For example, it now quite often now does browser page refresh when I open a card to add a comment. WTF ATLASSIAN!