[aey]

Afaik Germany is not part of 5 eyes or 9 eyes. There seems to be a tiny bit of ww2 era resentment there.

[rsynnott]

> There seems to be a tiny bit of ww2 era resentment there.

Well, also, (amply justified by Germany's history) public distrust of mass surveillance. Joining wouldn't really be politically viable.

[squiggleblaz]

Isn't that point of the "6 eyes" comment? Theirs would be be the sixth.

[KarlKemp]

That.. doesn't make much sense? The whole point is to prevent the outsourcing of illegal surveillance.

In any case, the BND suddenly became a lot less attractive for any intelligence-sharing deals.

[jkaplowitz]

They're not, but there is lots of collaboration between BND and agencies who are.

[johannes1234321]

Especially since BND (or the predecessor "Operation Gehlen") was established to large parts due to American interest in German spying experience regarding the Soviet Union.

[fit2rule]

I think its more that the German intelligence services are not liable to the German sovereign, but are rather still 'occupied' by the USA's own military/intelligence agencies.