[mattcrox]

"but it does a lot of the same things and often lies about it"

Can you provide evidence of this? Not that I don't believe you (nor do I have any financial interest in Apple), but I'm not a fan of seeing baseless accusations on HN.

[coronadisaster]

Sorry, I thought that it was well known... did a quick search and found this: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/18/imessage-...

duck.com for more examples...

[zepto]

That isn’t an example at all. It’s a random assertion from a 3rd party with no validation.

[coronadisaster]

so what is an example, according to you?

[dkersten]

The onus is on you, the person who made the claim, to find examples that have enough evidence to be taken as factual.

I don’t trust any big company and assume they’re all lying, but I trust random online assertions without evidence even less.

[zepto]

An example would be them actually being shown to be lying about something factual.

Not just someone offering an opposing opinion.

[theshrike79]

”This article is more than 6 years old”

At that time Google’s motto was still “Do no evil”...

[coronadisaster]

> At that time Google’s motto was still “Do no evil”...

still 2 years after Steve Jobs died which I think had a better moral compass