[socrates1998]

I think that attitude of customers is changing as we speak. Before, sure, it was easy to ignore the ramblings of how the CCP was upset at something and a western company just gives into them.

Now, anti-CCP sentiment is growing. I think western people are starting to realize how different we actually are. The CCP will be blamed for the pandemic (which is mostly correct), and you will see a massive decoupling here in the next couple of years.

This is the first real anti-globalization movement in about 80 years. Who knows where it will end.

[shadowgovt]

Hopefully not where the last anti-globalization movement did (isolationism, fascism, and a world war).

[socrates1998]

Obviously. I think the CCP has been given a pass the past 15 years. It's high time they conform to the western liberal democratic model of government.

I really hope it doesn't get ugly, but it could. We are so different than them, I just don't see how we go back to business as usual after this mess.

[mrscottson]

>It's high time they conform to the western liberal democratic model of government.

Seems like we haven't learned anything over the failed regime-change exercises of the past 2 centuries.

[jhpriestley]

Actually even longer than 15 years, the US has all-too-generously allowed the CCP to continue to exist ever since we benevolently allowed their army to fight ours to a standstill on the Korean peninsula in 1953.

[shadowgovt]

It's not really an "allow" kind of deal; a nation's options are limited dealing with the most populous nation on the planet.

Lots of options end in nose-cutting to spite faces, and the winning move starts to look like "don't play" real quick.

[hpoe]

I don't see that happening anytime soon, for a simple reason. Right now the three major world powers, CCP, Russia, USA, all are benefiting from the status quo. Everyone is prospering, when a real threat, such as ISIS arises you'll notice everyone worked together quickly to stop something that threatened the global order. The posturing over Iran, NK, and the like is just mostly for show.

What we need to be worried about is if any of these powers start to sliding towards a major decline, right now things are good people have a lot to lose if there is a war; however if the balance of power is too lopsided and one of the sides is at real risk of losing, that's when nations get desperate and start to do things that are dangerous.

World War 1 would've never happened if the the Russian Empire wasn't on the brink of collapse, but Russia felt it had to act because it would slip out of the ranks of influential nations. That is when the tinderbox exploded.

What I fear is that in the next World War, the US is currently looking like Germany, with their fancy tech, their super "intellectual" military doctrine, and their entrenched bureaucracy.

Russia is keeping their armies battle ready and tested in the Ukraine and Crimea, the CCP isn't as battle ready but as Vietnam and Korea proved they still can beat the US. Things are going to be interesting over the next 20 years...

[sneak]

> Now, anti-CCP sentiment is growing. I think western people are starting to realize how different we actually are.

I don’t think one logically follows at all. The more I study it, the more I think the US and China are vastly more similar than anyone likes to think about.

[gaoryrt]

intresting, how come?

[shadowgovt]

They're both empires of more people than most human beings can hold in their heads as anything but an abstract concept, and the needs of an empire that oversees the welfare and fate of so many people actually tend to converge: they need energy. They need things for people to do. They need relative internal peace to preserve their territorial and legal cohesion.

And both China and the US go to great lengths to achieve their respective paxes, in different directions; China clamps down hard on information flow, the US launches aggressive extraterritorial military campaigns to "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here." China's surveillance state and incarceration polices may be more overt, but the Snowden leaks revealed the massive extent of passive surveillance of its own citizens the US engages in. China has its problems with "undesired" minorities; the US has a citizen-condoned police state of immense scope and violence... it imprisons more people per-capita than any other country, and has had several high-profile instances of police and "citizens watch" murdering innocent citizens who looked like they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[Barrin92]

>This is the first real anti-globalization movement in about 80 years.

you seem to have forgotten... the entire cold war. (to which these spats with China don't even compare)