No Wikipedia articles on him either, and reports of people getting permanently banned from Wikipedia for trying to create that article, or even mentioning him in another.
If you want to edit wikipedia, you need to know and play their game.
Politically charged topics on wikipedia need multiple reliable sources.
I can’t find any sources, that would pass as reputable on wikipedia, on this guy.
Maybe if there was a script from Senate from Rand Paul, who spoke his name publicly, that could be used. New York Post is the only kind-of-reputable source I can find, I don’t think that’s enough for now
edit: people link Conservapedia etc, but you can quickly see the stuff is full of misinformation. The like to point out, as Rand did, that Schiff daughter was in some relationship with the CIA guy. This is provably false.
Maybe the Wikipedia rule on sources is actually good.
People who authored pages about him get banned, a couple got life bans. This is almost certainly censorship, not some extensive source verification. There also seems to be a media blackout on the topic.
I actively didn't want to know the identity of this whistle-blower. I wish parent had put the name at the end of the comment so I could skip it entirely.
I will not take part in some chilling-effect and/or stochastic terrorism effort (see Ping Pong Pizza incident); I understand why Google, wikipedia and Facebook wouldn't want to be party to that either.
Maybe you shouldn’t venture outside of the curated Internet then. If you don’t want to read something, you’ll just have to stick to places like Facebook that delete it to protect your eyes from such dangerous words and ideas.
Do you avoid spoilers? I do, and that doesn't mean I'm "afraid of ideas". Actively avoiding certain information doesn't require a curated internet - it helps when other people respect that (spoiler tags/warnings and such).
I expect most people who hang out on HN would understand that there are no good outcomes when PII is in the wrong hands - that's not even a controversial idea.
Interesting point, but I’m not sure the analogy holds up under scrutiny. You don’t want spoilers because they contain information that you do ultimately want to know.
A better analogy might be NSFL videos (people dying, mutilation etc.) I would be upset to find such a video auto playing in my feed. But I also think it’s a whole different level of offense compared to words on a page. And I know not to visit certain pages on 4chan, for example, if I want to avoid seeing such content. So do I benefit from using moderated platforms like Reddit instead? I would say yes. But then I would also suggest you need to apply the same logic to words on a page; if you don’t want to see them, stick to platforms that censor them for you.
Regarding PII, I’m not sure how you can argue that the name of a public figure is PII. The person in question is a “whistleblower” in some sense, but it’s very debatable whether he actually has any legal protections regarding others publicizing his name. As far as I know, he is not protected by WITSEC or any official, legal whistleblower statute or act. All censorship or omission of his name has been voluntary on the part of media organizations and social media platforms.
It doesn't matter that you didn't want to know -- all the people whose knowing of this matters... know, they all know. If you wanted the whistleblower to avoid reprisals by having his identity kept secret, it's too late.
I clearly stated my 2 concerns. The chilling-effect (by sending a message to would-be whistleblowers that they'd be tarred and feathered) as well as a "Lone-wolf" taking matters into their own hands, as it were.
I have no control what you (or others) propagate, as is your right - but I will not be part of it. I understand why Facebook, Wikipedia and others won't either (they too, have 1A rights).
Nonsense. Being a whistleblower requires running some risks. It's a necessity. You can't really blow the whistle on crimes etc. without ever going public -- at some point there might be a trial and you'd have to testify, else it's not a proper trial.
And again, horse, barn, door. It's gone. It ain't coming back.
Anyone who wanted to harm Eric Ciaramella could find that his name is Eric Ciaramella with a minute of research. The notion that scrubbing the name Eric Ciaramella from the internet will protect Eric Ciaramella is laughable. The only thing censoring information about Eric Ciaramella does is inhibit debate.
1. State actors also have a long and established history of abuses of power. We should not defer to what they have to say on issues related to their possible abuses.
2. Propensity for creating such a page is a strong indication of extremely poor judgement.
>You don't get special agent treatment for being in WP.
Yes. You do. WISTEC covers their bases, but they can't force large organizations to play ball at a whim. Those organizations need to be willing to help. And it's heart warming to see that they are.
What's more troubling is there's a list going around being used for censorship that citizens can't FOIA or see.
Citizenship has no bearing on the internal policies of private corporations. If you don't like the large corporate offerings, do without and use other services. Being a consumer of their services doesn't grant legal standing because you haven't suffered any definable injury.
Politically charged topics on wikipedia need multiple reliable sources.
I can’t find any sources, that would pass as reputable on wikipedia, on this guy.
Maybe if there was a script from Senate from Rand Paul, who spoke his name publicly, that could be used. New York Post is the only kind-of-reputable source I can find, I don’t think that’s enough for now
edit: people link Conservapedia etc, but you can quickly see the stuff is full of misinformation. The like to point out, as Rand did, that Schiff daughter was in some relationship with the CIA guy. This is provably false.
Maybe the Wikipedia rule on sources is actually good.