[yokljo]

How could you possibly know that you "became aware" of anything without some information being sent back from that-thing-that-became-aware? You know it so well that you are even able to comment about it.

I think the fact that people ('s brains) are so sure that they are conscious, is pretty clear evidence that for some reason your brain is getting messages back from this consciousness thing. Either that, or brains are consistently are built so they can't shake the idea that they have an observer (see: how many comments are on every HN article about consciousness, including this one).

[Enginerrrd]

>How could you possibly know that you "became aware" of anything without some information being sent back from that-thing-that-became-aware?

I'm sorry, but I don't quite understand either your question or the following paragraph. However, I feel like it could be an interesting line of discussion if you can explain it to me better.

I'm a bit lost, it sounds like you're suggesting consciousness and your brain are too different things? Is that right?

[yokljo]

Well the two things are the part where physics does stuff, then the other part is where you become aware of it (whatever that even is, but you experience it none-the-less. Let's call it the consciousness).

Random assumptions/observations that might be relevant:

- The universe seems to generally work under "simple" principles that can be explained with a few mathematical equations.

- The brain is made of the same stuff as everything else.

- You are only aware of a very very small amount of things that actually happen in your body: You are not aware of what happens in your visual cortex, just what comes out of it. You are not usually aware of the sound waves themselves, just the conceptual "sound". I would call all that stuff "processed data". Sound, images, touch, all that stuff, generally get blended together into one cohesive experience.

- All that looks like a flow chart when I think about it. The photons go into your eye, stimulating nerves, electrons flying everywhere. That cascade of nerve stimulations goes into the visual cortex where stuff is processed into actual stuff that you care about, but the data is still just essentially electrical signals at that point. But then suddenly, you are aware of that processed data. Sounds like it explicitly got that processed visual data and sent it out a transmitter, to be listened to by none other than my "self".

- I guess I would then relate my consciousness to a radio receiver that's waiting on the other end. And in some specific part of my brain is a transmitter.

- A radio station can't possibly know if anyone is listening to the signal they sent, unless the listener communicates back that they are listening. In the same way, it doesn't make much sense to talk about how aware you are if the "aware part" (the radio receiver) doesn't talk back.

- Random final observations if this model were true: To maintain conservation of energy, the receiver would likely have to act like a capacitor, storing energy that was used to send the message to it, and using that energy to send a message back. Either that or it communicates back by collapsing wavefunctions (okay now it's getting a little out of hand). Also, maybe using this model, you could say that your sense of the progression of time is proportional to the amount of information sent. Which is why time goes so quickly while you are asleep, because your brain stops sending stuff out the antenna (also getting out of hand).

Hopefully you find this idea at least a little interesting. I feel like there's a world of possibilities here that haven't properly been considered.

I would love to hear your take on it.

[Enginerrrd]

Ah yes ok I get it now.

There is feedback from the attention centers. In particular, when you pay attention to things, those connections get reinforced. So the real feedback occurs on a bit of a different timescale than the rest of your cognition, though there's probably some shorter term feedback too if I had to guess.

In a sense, I think there's a center of attention/awareness that consists of almost all of what we usually call consciousness largely because it's contents also get fed back in as an input. There's the self-awareness component.