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by zapzupnz 2231 days ago
> that looks native and isn't slow

No.

> You're not going to find anything else thats as complete [...]

Qt. WxWidgets. Soon, React Native for Windows and macOS.

> [...] or performant

No.

> I bet you use Java GUI's all the time without even knowing it.

Oh, people know it. Even users of Windows and Linux, platforms where a consistent native look and feel for applications is now a veritable pipe dream, can tell.

Plenty of people specifically avoid apps written with a Java UI because they feel so non-native and slow.

(Disclaimer: I'm not saying Qt, WxWidgets, necessarily feel any more native than Swing or JavaFX; I only mentioned them as examples of complete cross-platform UI kits, not necessarily as ones with the best integration — although well-designed Qt and WxWidgets apps will still feel miles more integrated with both Windows and macOS, notoriously difficult to emulate, than Swing)

> Every Jetbrains tool, DBeaver, DB Visualizer, MySQL Workbench, other stuff I'm too lazy to look up. If you have a tool thats not web with a big UI, its Electron or Java 90% of the time

If you use apps from that specific set you listed, sure.