[negamax]

Large welfare states are very basic income like. Have you checked the numbers on how many people get some form of government support in France? Many European countries' have their 30%+ budget for welfare

[SeaSeaRider]

Welfare state and UBI are completely different things.

[negamax]

The whole argument for UBI is that "the last failure didn't do socialism right".

[akvadrako]

UBI is not socialism. Compared to jobs programs, welfare and almost anything else the government does, it is less centrally managed.

That's why many of the 20th century supporters were libertarians.

[negamax]

It's a similar evil that sounds good on paper as the other evil